Ozzy and Sharon - is it just me, or ...?
I have been watching season 1 and 2 of the Osbournes, and just finished the first of two books Sharon wrote about her life (which includes, you guessed it, pieces of her life with Ozzy).
is it just me, or did anyone else get the impression from time to time that there is a disrespect going on from her to Ozzy. on the Osbournes, show after show, in these little snippets here and there, she talks to him like he is an idiot.
now granted, in reading about the domestic violence going on, there might be justification behind the scoffing from time to time. but given the health things he was dealing with, and his recovery. and his fame being the reason anyone tuned in in the first place? damn. and, it makes you wonder - is that his response to an underlying disrespect and control coming at him from her - no matter how dysfunctional it is (domestic violence)?
he's just so not engaged in the whole thing, private, not interacting at all - like nobody is home. letting people in his home but like zero percent into his mind and persona. then they have him saying and doing some really stupid stuff - it's retarded - but pretty funny. especially when he visits the dentist and gets the gas.
no wonder people say to me "you love Ozzy as he was in the past, not who he is today." to which i respond "no, but i don't just base my opinion on one or two shows which he is vac-d out, gets disrespect from his wife, where he's acting like nobody's home, either. he is a brilliant musician, with a wonderful mind, but he's very private. and, he wasn't sober during his show - he was drinking and drugging. he's sober now. and finding himself. i for one would be honored to meet him."
what i can't get are the times she freaks out if someone disrespects her husband - it isn't real clear to me why - when the door is kind of opened by how the show depicts him, and her disrespectful manner to him.
i don't think that show really lent him much in the way of the positive, like Jack (his son) said.
(off with her head?) <=== meaning mine lol
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The Final Season series wasn't as bad as the other set I watched. Watching it is kind of sad.
my point? it's not just the critics and nay-sayers that tell you the king is naked (he's not wearing any clothes, the queen won't allow it). some of those who love him see him naked and say it like it is.
I guess their daughter Aimee has the same view of how the show puts Ozzy in a bad light:
The accident came not only in the midst of filming for The Osbournes but also in the middle of a U.K. publicity barrage by the Osbourne family. During the publicity storm, we learned that, according to gossip columnist Jeannette Walls, eldest daughter Aimee, who refused to participate in The Osbournes, blamed MTV for distorting her father's image: "The first time I saw it and the way they edited it to make my dad look like a clown, I wanted to cry. Now he is a laughingstock and known as a stuttering alcoholic. After all his years of hard work and touring, this is how he’s being remembered and appreciated.” (1)
The article goes on to highlight a major point of indiscretion Sharon shares in her book. Interesting.
and from here, we have this relay of Ozzy's take on the MTV show:
On Saturday, a story on the Los Angeles Times Web site reported Osbourne's claim that he was overprescribed a variety of powerful anti-psychotic and tranquilizing drugs by a Beverly Hills doctor.
Osbourne said he developed a 42-pill per day habit that accounted for his odd behavior on the hit MTV show, including scenes in which Osbourne was seen mumbling, falling and appearing disoriented. (2)
Now how could a "loving" wife NOT notice her husbands 42-pill per day habit and NOT put her foot down to DO something - as in intervene????
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(1) from www.realitytvworld.com/index/articles/story.php?s=2078
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(2) from www.redorbit.com/news/general/34004/ozzy_osbourne_hurt_in_atv_accident/
sharons ties to her father and the industry were already there, she did not start from ground zero - no ma'am, she didn't. she had a MAJOR leg up from daddy. her business sense was there and did serve Ozzy well. but building a life on a business transaction when she expected love from a man clearly not wanting fidelity with her and then getting pissed about it - kind of stupid in my opinion.
for me the fangs and claws drawn on the personal level in her biography were very inappropriate. a wife doesn't need to be airing her husbands s*** in public. period. regardless of ANY of this stuff. she can call him the biggest BASTARD to his face, write him nasty-grams...poo in his slippers... but she should have kept her rage and malice confined to their private lives instead of plastering it into the minds of the world and profiting from it in her book. Ozzy is a public figure, that was totally UNACCEPTABLE.
Ozzy faces alot of ridicule and disrespect from many fans because of her big disrespectful mouth. and he has difficulties mentally because of her choices to not confront him when he was clearly out of control...and we're talking for thirty plus YEARS. then, she parade hims around on television baked out of his mind showing brain damage she did nothing to avert though "she loved him?" omg...
Ozzy's illusions though - that is a good thing. he gives us a time away from the everyday mellow (yawn) boring experiences in our homes, families, work, lives. I love Ozzy Osbourne...and that will not change.
I'll tell something sweet about Sharon, in Business.
I was checking my $1 books from the used book section from the library. I need books on how to Market myself so I can increase my networking where I work and other employers. Been where I've been for over 10 years.
I found one that's called "How to Survive and Market Yourself in Mangement." I just opened it up a couple of hours ago and on pg.3, 2nd paragraph say's, quote "Improbable dreams have a limited escape value. When delusion becomes a substitute for reality, the fantasizer is in trouble. This book addresses itself to dispelling this myth and substituting and spelling out the reality of business life at the management level - what it's like, what the do's and don't are, what kind of behavior is expected - in short, how to survive and prosper in management" printed 1977 Andrew Pleninger.
I've been trying to tackle that one for decades. Sure wish I knew how to play the electric guitar now!
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i hope he is tho.
how would anyone know ryo149 exactly whether ozzy is or is not maintaining sobriety. kind of like the boy who cried wolf, it was said so many times not only by the drug-addicted and alcoholic ozzy and kids, but by his sober manager-wife. who is to say what you can believe. you see it in the news, but then how can you trust that lol.
fans were let down to see him obviously fried and incapable of speech much less entertainment, i just hope this time around with his new CD when he does tour he is sober and the beautiful artist shines out.
frankly, reading her book only revealed how manipulative and hate-filled she is. she may in some twisted fashion love Ozzy, but her love is like a cobra's hug. after the book, i came to see why so many people really think she is trash who thinks she is something noble. here's why.
imho >>>>a loving wife does not keep a man dependent on her in an incapacitated state because she fears if he stands up whole and strong she might lose him.<<<<< that is manipulation, distorted control, and very evil.
i see in the quotes i put up a telling revelation of her fear that too much time away, especially around real help, might unravel her life. and that she put first before the well-being of the man she purportedly loves. she got him out of there then complained when he spun right back out of control. right. she deserves the Joan of Arc award for long-standing martyrdom. give me a break. what she did was NOT love. it was self-serving.
because it was the only way to get him, she got into a business arrangement with Ozzy. offering her fathers leverage and name, and her efforts to bring him fame ...because she wanted him that much. in exchange for a wedding ring. understandable. alot of women have felt the same way and might have done the same had circumstances been in their favor. Ozzy is an exotic candy for many women.
can you grant me that he was out of her league? remember what Sharon looked like back then? [Refresh your memories]... http://uncyclopedia.wikia.com/wiki/File:Sharon_Ozzy.jpg . with the perfection available in female form that walks this earth - along with kind hearts and good personality, and his fame with Black Sabbath...umm. she had to realize there was a price to pay. she was insecure, rightly so, for all those years.
an old adage i have is that just like beauty is in the eye of the beholder, so too is perspective or "truth" when many people see the same thing. this may not be your truth, but from what i have read? it is mine.
darkbladeus, as far as I remember Sharon said in an interview:
"Wheres the point in doing such a book and not being truthful?"
Keeping that in mind she just did things a hurt woman does:
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I understand what you're on about but as an answer to your excerpts I post the dedication of "Extreme".
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"I dedicate this book to my darling husband Ozzy.
Thank you for being my partner and my best friend and for changing my life for the better.
Thank you most especially for our babies.
My love for you is endless."
You better not b falling off the wagon, Ozzy !! You know of all the trouble!?!
When I quit drinking there was the understanding of the social tolerance of the system (I hav'nt blamed a politician yet for today's ...,except Pres. Bush sat on some laurels, I think) that allows people to become alcoholically physically addicted, over a peroid of time.
This link is from the L.A. Times Homicide Report in the Local Crime section. I picked it out because when I first read it a year ago it mentioned about how reporting violent crime is rediculed. HOW YOU GUNNA GO ON IN A RECORDING PROFESSION BELIEVING IN THAT?
http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/homicidereport/2007/03/marchers_protes.html
Sitting here and spending time trying to say this right?
Which recording artest doesn't run up into a "wall" (pick out just a brick in the wall and have your pudding and teach the kids) while fasionably consuming narcotics while everyone on the globe knows what your doing to yourself, ourselves. It doesn't have to be a recording artest and there's nowhere you can hide sitting in that "Angry Chair" (Alice in Chains). Trying to hide make's someone feel their ego trip but it is a waste of time personally for all of us. Not in the organizational chart for making money, especially utilizing Risk Management.
Bring out the Blessing of not being controled by that crap any more. The children on this planet need it.
And "How do you tell a homless person with no money and just the clothes on their back to quit the drugs."
What if that homeless person who had not even a dollar ($) wanted to see you kick the habbit?
That person say's " Hey, (calmly) if you quit the narcotics, your bodies have a healing process that takes about the same amount of time it takes to come up with an album."
I've learned over the years and not in the same town, to realize (actually all over the western U.S.) particularly in a State capitol to say to myself, "But Self? You can do as you please." But we can't do as we please. Especially when it comes to consuming something that helps to lose our conciousness and/or critical thinking processes while expecting to interact with other people, any where.
With or without a Heavy Metal project, my body sure feels a whole lot better and I can associate with others. And I can have my own opion of "War Pigs" "Sweat Leaf" " NIB" and still build something from "Paranoid" and other works. It'd be very shorted if not in jail from social abuse.
You see any of that?
----------Extreme, p.219-221----------
"It seemed that whenever I came home there was another drama, and so much of it was connected with Ozzy being drunk." "...one morning when he was really sorry and ashamed of his behavior, he agreed. I'd done my research, I told him, and the place with the best results was called Hazelden, and it was in the US." "...alot of the literature on addiction comes out of Hazelden..."
"When I finally got to see Ozzy, he looked desperate. Like a prisoner. And the moment we were alone he just clung to me. "You've got to get me out of here. Please don't make me stay." The counselor had a very different take. Ozzy needed long-term treatment, he said. A minimum of six months. Six months? Although I knew he was probably right, I felt my mouth go dry and panic begin to rise. I mean, six months without my crazy husband? On any level, I just didn't think I could do it." "Ozzy, it's your decision. If you stay clean, it won't be a problem." But in my inner heart I knew that he wouldn't. Pete Mertons went to get him, and he was sober for a while. Perhaps six weeks."
----------Extreme, p. 227-228----------
"Ozzy was now doing combinations of prescription drugs and drink, big-time...he would not stop from the minute he got up to the minute he collapsed. He had it hidden everywhere. ... Bottles of vodka, scotch, Jack Daniel's, Hennessy, whatever..."
"And I would do anything to stop him. When I found the booze I'd throw it away, or I'd piss in it, or I'd stick the neck up my arse, just as a kind of f*** You, because I knew he would drink straight from the bottle. I wanted him to suffer. And even when I told him what I'd done, he'd still f***ing drink it."
i guess it makes me kinda sad (or maybe the word is disappointed) to read those things from Sharon. and she opened the door to the public in her book about them. when she says that intimacy with him is disgusting to her it just completely blows my mind. to read that she admits that she intentionally blows his money when she's mad at him for something just came across so disrespectful, vindictive, shallow, manipulative.
just my opinion, but i'm thinking that if someone set out to tarnish his image as a man, nobody could have done a better job. i was not happy to read those things. nor see that in their shows. i think it was humiliating to him as a man and so very uncool.
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Andy J - i'm not sure what Ozzy's house would tell us beyond what we already know - they were a poor, struggling, working-class family. not that i would sneeze at reading something about it, it's just - having been born last of a family of 8 where we had 2 bedrooms: one for 2 boys, the other for 5 girls, there's not much about poverty or growing up hungry i don't know. i'd be more interested in getting a peek into him when he's hunting, or riding quads (in the past pre-accident), about what he knows about WWII (collections, books, thoughts), or other stuff he does as an ordinary person. but then, i'm hoping that's what Jack's video will show.
lol kala. i'm sure there are lots of relationships throughout history where people have stuck together a lifetime and there is disrespect and passive/aggression going on. something far from healthy. my family is littered with lifers. take me out to the desert and shoot me if i ever get in that stagnant, non-fulfilling kind of relationship. i'm just glad Ozzy got sober and appears to be piecing together parts of himself that have been gone for a long time. that there is love, gratitude, and friendship is apparent. anything less would leave you wondering about the heart inside the man, and that just always has come across very caring.
me and my wife
oh hang on my wifes the glue here,,she keeps this place running and keeps me happy,,and im a hard job to keep happy
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Ozzy avoids politics, right? Except for some of the content of the lyrics, and whatever get's the crowds to the show. Well his picture just has never looked very political anyway.
Lets see, Stock Exchange, Publically listed company, well, remember when what Ozzy did to get signed to a record label back in the 80's?
Which is stuff I'd like to write about in song "skunk work."
Sharon is an Icon for hard workers.
Know any other couple that you'd support as much?
In my opinion they are a very good couple and Sharon is a great woman. Is clear that she treats him sometimes like an idiot and it's not only in the show, in the interviews she interrupts or correct him. But Ozzy doesn't care. That's the way his relationship is an they are happy.
If it's nice or not nice for other people is irrelevant. (My sister has been married for 25 years and her realtion is like Sharon and Ozzy)
As far as Alice Cooper thnking it might be better to lay off a while is because will the sponsers and advertising money be there like before?
1970's was about what the young audience was spending their money on and having a party.
Sharon, obviously, career revolves around producing.
Ozzy is a musical talent.
I wished I would have developed mine, but that 70's party rips up prudence, which is what entertainment revolves around sometimes and a lot of times.
I still have enough time to make an album or two, three. I don't see any touring. I would play locally. I'd even drive up North, I know the area very well.
Ok the pair of you have got me going. I do not do toooooooooooo much trawling, but I noticed the bit about bipolar, and ignored it. I know Ozzy has what is know called AHAD(?). BUT doing or trying to do my bit again I googled Ozzy and up came alsorts. I did view one site
http://www.solarnavigator.net/music/ozzy_osbourne.htm
And low and behold it mentioned the Bipolar bit, so if this is true then that would explain an awful lot, and coupled to little bits of this and that we get the finished Ozzy. It however goes on to claim, and i WILL keep it short that Tony and Ozzy were in the same class at school. On the Last Supper tape Tony clearly states that Ozzy was the school year below him.
http://wwwbirminghamuk.com/go/famous.htm. All I can say it may surprise you of the Birmingham famous. So log on and scroll down, and you may learn something.
On the Sundaymercury.net search for Pal Aron, and scroll through the entry to locate the School that Ozzy attended, in the shadow of s***e (sorry) Villa Park football(socer)club. Am I a blue nose/ quite posible I suppose.
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Sure, to read the article would be interesting and well said. We only have a rough idea.
Ladies, what more can I say, at all on the subject. I think that we all have a rough idea, with some having an better idea than others, But It would appear that I must concede to the pair of you.
Just remeber that Ozzy came from a large family, in what if memory serves me right was a 2 up 2 down teranced house, in Lodge road, Aston. It is STILL there. The Mercury ran a feature some time back of the homes that famous Brummies grew up in! Do you want me to make it my next quest to locate the article for one and All, if possible?
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well, the link between when the divorce from Thelma happened and when Sharon appeared with an offer to help Ozzy launch his solo career - they seem serendipitously simultaneous, know what I mean Verne?
when i look at pictures of them together i can't help but think this was a business transaction for Ozzy and a heart one as well as attraction on for Sharon. that may be so totally not true but that is just what my gut says when i see them back then.
that is, unless Ozzy had some emotional issues where he was missing a motherly character in his life (which he mentions not having the closest relationship with mom growing up) and Sharon represented that. or he just didn't give a s*** about any woman figure - perhaps aside of sexual partners women were irrelevant to him in the big picture.
certainly the sexual part just seems kinda not too real or honest. how could it have been. a sad quandary for Sharon, yes, but then she walked into his life offering fame in return for a relationship. (yikes, hold off the sledgehammer momma, i am just saying it like it seems to me).
i would imagine that Ozzy is afraid today that he would not be able to manage those things that Sharon provides him, and has provided him for years. i think that is a sad dependency on her that in his lifetime i think would be great to overcome. years and years ago in his first rehab he stated just those things i've said here, and maybe there was a grain of salt of truth in his words at that time.
loving someone because they do things for you that you should be doing for yourself is part of what AA and Alanon teaches - it's called codependency and enabling, and it creates an unnatural dependency from the alcoholic to the enabler. i guess since there's so much talk about meetings and recovery in Sharons book, i for one would like to see her and Ozzy walk the walk in this, not just talk the talk.
inklings of that desire for independence can be heard in Ozzy when Howard Stern is interviewing them and Howard nails Sharon for being controlling.
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Hey f_darkbladeus. You're quick having now read Sharons first book.
In fact when I read it I thought she was quite lenient towards Ozzy. Regarding the things he's done I was often wondering why she stayed with him during the eightees. I mean, she was the one keeping the family together and everything running. Ozzy was useless back then.
Regarding the Osbournes, its true she sometimes talked to him like hes a childish idiot. But on drugs he was I think which she must know perfectly well. And during the show he appeared so differently depending on what state of drug abuse he was at the daytime. To me her reaction often seemed natural.
For us Ozzy is the musical hero above all but hes a man with a ton of flaws and I dont want to underestimate that.
And Andy, regarding your comment "Ozzy is to Sharon the goose that lays the Golden Egg" I think they both take profit of each other. Sharon of Ozzys musical talent and Ozzy of Sharons buissenes brain. They both wouldnt be where they are without each other. I mean, Sharon picks the stage set, she picks the costumes, she has been full of new ideas during the last decades. And if I watch all the paparazzi shots where they are holding hands all the time, that doesnt look like a love and hate relationship to me.
BTW, in a recent interview Sharon said that their relationship changed a lot during the last years and is still changing because Ozzy being sober is a different man today.
Alice Cooper is reported to have told his friend Ozzy, NOT to do the Ozbournes. Tony, does state that on the Last Supper Tape, when asked if he had watched the Ozbournes. He replied what was the point, Ozyy is Ozzy, and there was no need to watch him on the TV.
Why Thelma and Ozzy felt out and were divorced I am not entirley sure. It may be that the common knowledge incident was after a Sabbath tour, chilling out to home life was a bit of a bind, and shot his chickens with a shot gun.
Couple this to drink and drugs and everything mixed togethor with everything else and most get the picture.
Ozzy is to Sharron the goose that lays the Golden Egg.
Ozzy is on record on saying about Domestic Violence (and there is NO excuse for it), that he remembers it in his OWN family home/with his relatives. So I think that is where that is coming from on that front.
It appears to me that it can be a love hate relationship, and Ozzy is besotted by Sharron. So other than that I have not got a clue.
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