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Ozzy suing Tony for 50% of Sabbath share

Lawyers representing Ozzy Osbourne have filed a lawsuit with the U.S. Patent and Trademark Office against the heavy metal icon’s Black Sabbath bandmate, Tony Iommi, claiming the man responsible for some of the genre’s most memorable riffs illegally assumed sole ownership of the Black Sabbath name.

According to the New York Post, Osbourne’s suit seeks a 50 percent stake in the “Black Sabbath” trademark. Furthermore, the filing claims Osbourne is entitled to a portion of the profits Iommi has generated through use of the band name, and suggests it was Osbourne’s “signature lead vocals” that helped propel the band’s “extraordinary success.” The suit also points out that Sabbath’s popularity took a nosedive during Ozzy’s absence during 1980 and 1996, when former Rainbow vocalist Ronnie James Dio took over behind the mike stand.

The suit follows one filed by Iommi in December 2008 against Live Nation. In that filing, Iommi claims the concert giant sold merchandise bearing the band’s logo, despite the 2006 expiration of a merchandising deal, reportedly worth nearly $80 million. Soon after that agreement concluded, Iommi reclaimed the band’s trademark.

Iommi’s suit argues Live Nation continued to sell more than 100 items of merchandise featuring the band’s likeness, name and logo, despite the receipt of cease-and-desist orders from the guitarist’s camp. Iommi’s suit seeks damages in the amount of three times the profits from the merchandise sales, plus a halt to the Black Sabbath product sales.

In a recent interview with Decibel magazine, both Iommi and bassist Geezer Butler said that working with Dio was actually much easier than working with Ozzy. “Ronnie’s a songwriter in his own right — he’s got tons of ideas,” Butler said. “Whereas Ozzy … in the old days, he’d come up with a vocal line and I’d write the lyrics. Ronnie is 100 percent involved in both the musical side and the vocal side, and he writes his own lyrics as well.”

http://www.rollingstone.com/rockdaily/index.php/2009/05/29/ozzy-osbourne-suing-tony-iommi-for-black-sabbath-name/

Regardless of how big an Ozzy fan I am, I'd say that 50% is pushing it. I could see 25% but c'mon Ozz! You've got your own solo music to deal with rather than worrying about what half of your old band is doing. :(

UPDATE FROM OZZY'S MYSPACE:

Below is my official press statement on the official Black Sabbath trademark lawsuit. I am very saddened that I’ve had to take legal action against Tony. This is something that I’ve tried to avoid for years. I am not Geezer or Bill’s voice. However, till the day I die I will not change my mind on this issue. The Black Sabbath trademark should be equally owned by Geezer, Bill, Tony and I as the true Black Sabbath lineup is Tony, Geezer, Bill and I. We’ve all been mates since school. I’ve always said there is an invisible thread that holds us together. Tony, lets get this ridiculous issue sorted and move on with our lives. You’re 61, I’m 60. I hope that we’ve got a good 20 years left in us. But if not, God Forbid something happens to you. What’s going to happen to the Black Sabbath trademark? Who’s going to oversee it? Don’t you think after we’re long gone the rights should stay in your family, my family, Bill’s family and Geezer’s family?

Statement from OZZY OSBOURNE:

“It is with great regret that I had to resort to legal action against my long term partner, Tony Iommi, but after three years of trying to resolve this issue amicably, I feel I have no other recourse. As of the mid-1990’s, after constant and numerous changes in band members, the brand of "Black Sabbath" was literally in the toilet and Tony Iommi (touring under the name Black Sabbath) was reduced to performing in clubs. Since 1997 when Geezer, Bill and myself rejoined the band, Black Sabbath has returned to its former glory as we headlined sold-out arenas and amphitheatres playing to upwards of 50,000 people at each show around the world. We worked collectively to restore credibility and bring dignity back to the name “Black Sabbath” which lead to the band being inducted into the UK and US Rock & Roll Hall of Fames in 2005 and 2006, respectively. Throughout the last 12 years, it was my management representatives who oversaw the marketing and quality control of the “Black Sabbath” brand through OZZFEST, touring, merchandising and album reissues. The name "Black Sabbath" now has a worldwide prestige and merchandising value that it would not have had by continuing on the road it was on prior to the 1997 reunion tour. Tony, I am so sorry it’s had to get to this point by me having to take this action against you. I don’t have the right to speak for Geezer and Bill, but I feel that morally and ethically the trademark should be owned by the four of us equally. I hope that by me taking this first step that it will ultimately end up that way. We’ve all worked too hard and long in our careers to allow you to sell merchandise that features all our faces, old Black Sabbath album covers and band logos, and then you tell us that you own the copyright. We’re all in our 60’s now. The Black Sabbath legacy should live on long after we have all gone. Please do the right thing.”

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yes our private lives arnt so private anymore ,well really never have been private ,,,we all live in glass houses mate,,, so could you please were some swimmers next time your showering ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha oh and im a exabitionist ha ha ha ha ha ha ha

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There is always someone looking at ya! I wish I was joking, BUT oogle, Yawotsit ALL sell your details ON! Then there are the Hackers, and then well, the list goes on!

other than that I am joking hahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

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hey andy are you feeling paranoid,,well let me cool it for you,,its not you i wish gone

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Farewell fish!
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Well said Andy. The ones who will get most out of it will be the legal teams.

Is it ME O Gimpster?

Hopefully not, but Well Said both LD (ladies first) and the Gimp

Ozzy Does what Ozzy does, sometimes under Sharrons instruction but most of the time NOT! I sincerley hope that this matter is sorted out before it ever gets to court, as IT WILL COST A FORTUNE! As I have said before theonly peole to make money will be the legal teams!

Now that willbe a very sad day

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oh seriously your not coming back ,,yeh for all us here,,,thanx LD did you get that thing to do this,,hey well we'll see if it comes back,,heres what i reckon ,,your only as good as your word,,and we'll see how good it is
oh AND ONE DOWN AND ONE TO GO
not you ozzyjohn
it knows who it is

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And from here on out i'm not even going to argue about this anymore as I am not a lawyer for the upcoming trial, I just hope the case is decided justly and swiftly so they can move on with their separate careers. On that note I'm leaving this site forever... DON'T BE SAD FOR ME, I'M GOING HOME!!!!!!!!!!!!

Well i'll just say that I respect your loyalty but I personally am completely through pretending this is the same Ozzy Osbourne I grew up listening to. He has become less a rock star and more a pop diva over the last few years and i'm not going to support him or his bizarre behavior any more.

Thanks for your apologize :-)
I still dont get why you're hasseling us just because we dont share your oppinion.
You're at least right with your last statement. I will always support Ozzy but that doesnt mean I agree with everything he's doin. So what.
We can bet now who will win. Just give me you're stake.
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OZZY FOREVER!

It seems Ozzy is just a tyrannical king to some of you and I bet you'd support him even if he suddenly decided to sue Pink Floyd for 50% ownership of their band!

I may be a total r-tard but I don't believe for a second Ozzy or anbody from his camp would ever read my rants on here... beside I'd think Ozzy's fans would be more disappointed than anyone else considering he probably won't win, and he just killed ANY chance of future collaborations with Sabbath.

Here are some personal words for you fish.
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First thanks scapegoat and Andy for your statements. I'm with you although I dont have the intention to post my personal oppinions about the topic here.
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Fish, you came here on this site and did these offensive posts without explaining yourself.
I suppose you want to reach Ozzy through this but he's not here and will never know about it. In fact you're insulting the people on this site, us. And no one of us is a Dio/Iron Maiden hater.
Do you think it was right what you did?
In my oppinion you owe us all an apology.

And just remember whenever Ozzy gets something, Sharon gets it too. She would have more power to release more of the same old compilations of the same material they've been doing.

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Tony Iommi = God, his arch angels are Ozzy Osbourne, Dave Walker, Ronnie James Dio, Ian Gillan, Dave Donato, Glenn Hughes, Ray Gillen, Tony Martin, and Bill Ward (bassically everyone who sang on a song labeled Black Sabbath)

I hope I am just paranoid about post Ozzy era Sabbath disappearing but if you want my answer on why Ozzy would do that is quite simple: Its Ozzy! Regardless of money to be made or anything else this is the same irrational man who had Iron Maiden egged & cut the power to the P.A. at their last ozzfest show, record over Bob Daisley & Lee Kerslake on the early solo records all to satisfy his own twisted ego! Just look at the timing of this whole thing, to me it just seems like Ozzy is jealous that Tony & Geezer aren't just sitting around waiting for the next time Ozzy decides he wants to tour with them! How dare they go on tours & record albums(they've been waiting on Ozzy for 12 years since their initial reunion & he just couldn't be bothered to do anything but play the same few greatest hits)

Well Scapegoat, is it me are were we separated at birth!

Al I want to know is the facts, as ANY one can make a story up and pass it off a TRUE.

I mentioned the Aleggation and until it is substantiated then that is ALL that it is! I read it in the similar topic on the home page! So please if you want to comment, PLease, please, please read AL that has been witten on this site about this topic!

We ALL have an opinion on this and every topic, and As we can ALL see this topic especially is a really hot topic!

The stuff that I have on DVD now was from off UK TV, So it must be available somewehere on this big wide web! Some say they have enough documentaries, but knowledge is everything, and hopefully some where hidden sometimes between the lines ifs the Truth in the form of Solid facts!

So Hopefully, I will not have to write on this topic again, but If I have to, then I will, so please calm down and do as I have suggested!

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Well for case of arguments sake only, if those albums generate money, which by your statement about them as well as others who seem to enjoy the post Ozzy Sabbath material, why would Ozzy choose to do anything differently than Iommi has been doing, that is if Ozzy is truly looking for complete an utter control of the franchise known as black sabbath??

I think instead he is asking that it be divided amongst the four original members, perhaps all members including those who played under the name after his leaving of the band. On that I am not sure of, but it sounds the most likely, and the fairest way of going about this whole thing. I think Ozzy is just trying to get Iommi from procrastinating on the issue any further due to their age now, and by doing so force him into settling this issue while they are all alive and able to say and make a fair claim. Why any real fan would have a problem with the any of that I am really unsure of, some of you confuse me with your logic and paranoid delusions of what Ozzy's intentions are, some far out bulls*** that's for damn sure....

Its not as if Ozzy is going to dismantle all of it but what was created when he was a part of the band, and in all logic what kind of a dumb ass would, as long as those post albums generate money. So I wouldn't worry about your precious post sabbath library, I am confident it is in no real danger really, even though I wouldn't personally find myself missing the any of it if it did in fact just go the f*** away, but that's just my humble opinion, and it don't really mean s*** in the big scheme of things now does it???..

I mean damn how paranoid can some fans be these days anyway? Did anyone read the same press release on this thing that I did, or do you all have one I haven't seen yet, you know the one where Ozzy is a glutenous dick that wants to destroy all post sabbath material, and to steal the sabbath name from Iommi and the rest of the boys for himself only!!!!!!!!!!!!

Whatever the f***!

Pffffffffffffffffft!

Remember paranoia will destroy ya!

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<strong>Ozzy:</strong><cite>"I have no regrets except that I wasn't up to keep Randy (Rhoads) from getting on that plane." (Ozzy Osbourne, Guitar World Issue 37, 2000)
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Maybe i'm just reading between the lines and no Tony Iommi isn't flawless but at least with him EVERY Sabbath album would be given light of day. Like Dio says in that interview Ozzy is a obsessive over Sabbath(maybe he should be) but as a fan I don't trust him owning rights to TYR, Heaven & Hell or any other album he didn't perform on which i'm sure this lawsuit will give him control over.

And where does it have Ozzy quoted as saying that any of the post sabbath music wasn't entitled to be named sabbath???

And where does it have any quotes from Osbourne that he thinks post sabbath music is s***, and only the music he made with Iommi is the complete and utter s***???

I fail to see anything other than Dio stating facts that are known to each camp on what transpired in the days after Ozzy's dismissal from the band, and not much more really....

And Dio doesn't believe Sharon, or Ozzy had anything to do with the use of heaven and hell with his rejoining of the band....

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<strong>Ozzy:</strong><cite>"I have no regrets except that I wasn't up to keep Randy (Rhoads) from getting on that plane." (Ozzy Osbourne, Guitar World Issue 37, 2000)
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http://www.roadrunnerrecords.com/blabbermouth.net/news.aspx?mode=Article&newsitemID=68553

HERE'S A MORE RECENT "SOURCE" BUT SINCE I'VE BEEN READING ROCK & METAL MAGAZINES OZZY WOULD BE MORE THAN GLAD TO COMPARE HIS SOLO CAREER'S SUCCESS WITH SABBATH'S DIMINISHED POPULARITY ESPECIALLY DURING THE TONY MARTIN YEAR'S.

I'D LIKE TO SEE SOME OF YOUR SOURCES WHERE OZZY IS PRAISING A SABBATH SONG THAT DOESN'T FEATURE HIM.

Where the f*** has Ozzy ever said that, your source exactly? I would like to read that quote.

The most I have ever heard Ozzy say about post black sabbath not featuring himself is that he doesn't consider it to be the true incarnation of black sabbath. And how can he when he is a founding, note "founding member" everyone..

Ozzy has said he has enjoyed some of the post Ozzy sabbath material, in fact has said it many, many times, and never once have I head him say it didn't or doesn't count.

However what I do believe is that out of love and respect for what he and the other boys created with the creation of black sabbath is that its for him somewhat of a sacred thing! Ozzy has said even though the music that was made with Dio, or any of the other men that Iommi wrangled up to replace whomever had left the band, in the end wasn't bad music at all! However even despite that fact he didn't consider it to be the true representation or incarnation of black sabbath.. And I personally agree with that analogy, to me and many, many others Osbourne, Ward, Butler & Iommi are the true black sabbath, and always will be, sorry if that bothers the any of you, but its a undeniable fact, period!!!!

So get over it!

Where Iommi f***ed up is he allowed the record label to enforce him in using the sabbath name instead of his own. And instead of taking legal action and costing himself money in the pursuit of not being held to the sabbath name he took the easy way out and conformed. That is where Iommi screwed up if you ask me, that is where he lost a bit of his own integrity, it not as if Iommi is f***in' flawless here.

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<strong>Ozzy:</strong><cite>"I have no regrets except that I wasn't up to keep Randy (Rhoads) from getting on that plane." (Ozzy Osbourne, Guitar World Issue 37, 2000)
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IN THE END OZZY ONLY SANG ON 8 OF 18(NOT COUNTING THE DEVIL YOU KNOW) BLACK SABBATH RECORDS... THAT'S LESS THAN HALF(50% SHARE WITHOUT EVEN BEING ON 50% OF THE MATERIAL HE ASKS FOR) AND THERE IS QUITE A FEW GOOD SONGS ON THOSE OTHER 10 ALBUMS THAT DON'T DESERVE TO BE SWEPT UNDER THE RUG BECAUSE OZZY THINKS THEY DON'T COUNT WITHOUT HIM. EVEN A TOTAL BEER COASTER LIKE FORBIDDEN DOESN'T DESERVE TO BE WIPED OFF THE FACE OF THE EARTH(BUT IT SEEMS TO HAVE BEEN ALREADY)

I personally agree almost 100% with Andy J.

And I also feel & hope that Bill & Geezer will join Ozzy and that all four will eventually own equal parts in the sabbath mantle. And with that it secures it from becoming what the Beatle franchise became! Owned by some a**hole wearing a white glove and having unsupervised sleep overs with other peoples kids handling you're musical library!

Ask Sir. Paul Mccartney if he thinks Ozzy is a tool for trying to persevere the future of sabbath's music and its mantle??

If you truly love the sabbath name and what it represents, & that means the good as well as the ugly, then don't be so fast to conclude that the only reason Ozzy is pushing this is because of money and not the preservation of the sabbath legacy. To assume that Ozzy has only ill intentions in mind makes you look like an a**hole that believes that RJD & Tony Iommi can do absolutely no wrong, and are never possibly in the wrong, on anything.. Pffffft!

As for the whole issue of Ozzy doing the tv series, or this so called selling out bulls*** I keep hearing.

Enough with that weak ass juvenile & selfish ass bulls*** people!!!!!

I mean for crying out loud how much does this man have to give of himself. I don't understand what some of you all want from him??? I mean how can you begrudge Ozzy having some fun with his notoriety before he dies??? I mean he stayed true and cutting edge way into his f***in' 50's, & I know of no one else in the metal genre other than Al Jourgensen that has managed to do that!

I mean what do you f***ing expect, for him to never lay back and mellow some an enjoy the fruits of his labors? I mean how f***in' rude can we the fan get by asking that of him, something not any of us would be willing to sacrifice of ourselves! So piss up a rope with all that ignorant horse s*** talk, and please stop embarrassing yourself with your outrageous and overly selfish needs an own wants!

What about what Ozzy wants or deserves for a change!

I think a guy who has known nothing other than music and hitting the stage since he was a kid has given enough of himself to the fans! An personally I loved getting a glimpse of my hero, burnt or not, stutter or not stuttering, he is the f***in' man! To take cheap shots at him now simply makes you look like a front runnin' b****!

Wahhhhhhh Ozzy's persona isn't as evil as it once was, wahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh!...........

At least he doesn't spend more time on the golf course than making music like so many of his fellow past rivals and peers seem to do these days...

Anyway. whatever the f***, if you want to sound like an ungrateful a**hole, I mean if that so pleases you then by all means continue on with it! But first take close note of the fact that you do look like a complete an utter tool when you keep banging away at that drum this late into Ozzy's career! Banging away that he is now somehow less of an iconic music hero because he did a reality tv show, or hes enjoying the later years of his life before he goes.

Plus have the any of you that unmercifully bag on him taken into consideration how much he suffers with the knowledge that he is grown older and is losing it, lost some of it! I mean do you all need or want to really add to the mans insecurities and guilt in not being able to perform like he once did when he was in his prime? Anyone that knows anything about Ozzy knows he has always taken great pride on being able to deliver the goods when it comes to all that! So yet again I ask could it maybe be the all of you that are the a**holes and not at all him??

I think maybe that's just the case, cus you all can help what you go an say about him, but Ozzy cant help his getting old on us, now can he?

And as usual it wont be until hes gone that ingrates such as yourself OzzyJohn will regret the things you have said about him. Why don't you quit being a selfish a**hole for one moment and appreciate that we still have one of musics all time greats still walking amongst us.. And let go of all the other minor ass bulls***!

Because Ozzy at the end of the day has done far more right during his career than f***ing wrong, and multiple generations all coming together in unison and stating just that cant all be wrong now can they???

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<strong>Ozzy:</strong><cite>"I have no regrets except that I wasn't up to keep Randy (Rhoads) from getting on that plane." (Ozzy Osbourne, Guitar World Issue 37, 2000)
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thats exactly why nothing has happened with blacksabbath.com mr afish. Sharon owns the domain but will never agree to put something with TM let alone Dio on "HER" site. Tony seems content with his own site and the extensive one Joe Seigler has put together.

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Tony Iommi = God, his arch angels are Ozzy Osbourne, Dave Walker, Ronnie James Dio, Ian Gillan, Dave Donato, Glenn Hughes, Ray Gillen, Tony Martin, and Bill Ward (bassically everyone who sang on a song labeled Black Sabbath)

I USED TO LIKE OZZY AS MUCH AS ANYBODY HERE BUT HIS EGO HAS GONE OUT OF CONTROL. AND HIS FANS JUST BLAME HIS WIFE WHENEVER HE DOES SOMETHING LIKE THIS OR IF HE EGGS IRON MAIDEN OR RECORDS OVER HIS MUSICIANS ETC ETC ETC... HIS MUSIC MAY BE LEGENDARY BUT THE MAN HAS GONE INSANE!!!(IN A BAD WAY) AND TO TOP IT OFF WHILE TONY KEPT SABBATH RECORDING, TOURING AND GENERALLY WORKING OZZY DID NOTHING BUT SAY THEY SUCK WITHOUT HIM AND POINT OUT HIS RECORDS OUTSOLD THEIRS THROUGHOUT THE 80'S... DIO ACTUALLY QUIT THE SECOND TIME BECAUSE HE REFUSED TO OPEN FOR A MAN WHO DID NOTHING BUT S_HIT ON ANYTHING SABBATH AND ESPECIALLY HIMSELF EVER PUT OUT.

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THERE, DID SOMETHING BESIDE KICK A DEAD HORSE!

I HAVE A FEELING IF OZZY GET'S CONTROL OVER THIS NAME HE'S GOING TO DO EVERYTHING HE CAN TO ERASE ALL SABBATH WORK DONE WITHOUT HIM... LAST I CHECKED THE TONY MARTIN DISKS ARE ALREADY HARD AS HELL TO FIND AND EXPENSIVE IF YOU DO($35 U.S. FOR HEADLESS CROSS PRE-OWNED!!!)

"4: Tony Iommi LEFT Black Sabbath to join Jethro Tull, and came scurrieng back after a short space of time!" He wasn't even gone long enough for the other guys to find a replacement. They were thinking about calling it quit when Iommi left.

"6: Some of you may hate me for this bit, BUT I believe that if you are a Member of a band, at any time, and there is merchandising, THEN YOU ARE ENTITLED TO A CUT, IF YOU ARE ON THAT MECHANDISING!"
-that on is just the law. If its your picture then theres no questions asked. its about the name. And since the reunion Ozzy and Tony did split any merch. However when Live Nation broke part of on of their contracts Tony sued for using his name "Black Sabbath"

"5: Ozzy never volunteered to leave Black Sabbath, he was basically sacked by Tony"
-DUH! Tony made the hard decision to stop Ozzy's abusive habits that were hurting not only himself but the whole band, and he did it the only way he could. And it DID work. There is no denying Tony's move (perhpas via the butterfly effect) to fire Ozzy has made him one of the most popular metal artists out there, it did both of them good. Ozzy made a name for himself, and Tony continued the band that (and the rest of the band will tell you) he had always been the driving force behind.
Ozzy did however volunteer to be the driving force behind a stagnant Sabbath that tours with the same basic short setlist and a refusal to work on new material.

"8: A fellow oznoid posted that Tony was about to go (allegedly) bankrupt, for what ever reason, AND Ozzy allegedly bailed him out! Is this the action of a TRUE friend. Surely, OZZY could have said, sign me over the rights, and I will let YOU have the money!"
-Tony has never been close to bankruptcy, don't be ridiculous

"The others WERE just as High on drink and drugs, even though OZZY was seldom allowed to put forward his ideas into Black Sabbath!"
-no they weren't. Tony and Geezer indulged but they never developed problems because of it. And Bill was more on the sauce than other drugs. Ozzy had a serious problem with both. And Ozzy put forth the ideas he did have, but he didn't write very many lyrics, and by the end of the 70s he was too busy getting stoned to work WITH Geezer on them like he used to. Randy Rhoads was the first to help Ozzy get his ideas out. Tony didn't have the classical training for that, his style is more jam oriented.

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oh another opinion,,what the,,bout time you tried to talk,,why arnt you civil in off topic,,and are you responsible for hacking the sony ozsite,,im very curious,,c'mon answer normally,,,,

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I lost track how many times that I put a post on the home page relating to this topic. So to sum it up, or as much as I can remember:

1: Black Sabbath were formed by 4 guys from Aston Birmingham.

2: Without anyone them, THEY would not have done what they did! The same goes for I regret this, if only syndrome!

3: TONY IOMMI (and I do not dislike him, or any of the music that he is responsible for) is only 1 quarter of the band known as Black Sabbath, and yes he has stuck with it for al of these years! WHY. We know his first solo album was hijacked by the RECORD COMPANY TO BE A Black Sabbath record. So in reality, how many more were hijacked by the record company, hoping the fans will buy Black Sabbath Records instead of Tony Iommi's records?

4: Tony Iommi LEFT Black Sabbath to join Jethro Tull, and came scurrieng back after a short space of time!

5: Ozzy never volunteered to leave Black Sabbath, he was basically sacked by Tony, who got the other guys to back him up! At the time of Ozzy's sacking, Ozzy had just lost his father, coupled to the fact that he was/is insecure, high on drink and drugs! It is clear by the many interviews that Ozzy, Geezer (on "You can not fire me i'm Famous" with Piers Morgan - UK TV), The others WERE just as High on drink and drugs, even though OZZY was seldom allowed to put forward his ideas into Black Sabbath! Every band needs a front man, and Black Sabbath's was OZZY! JOEY ELLIOTT from Def Leppard said, and he is right if you has seen Tony in action, that the betting was Tony did not need a shower after the gig, as he was glued to the spot, allowing OZZY do all the hard work. In another interview on UK TV, TONY himself ADMITS that OZZY was the front man who could, and still controls the crowd!

6: Some of you may hate me for this bit, BUT I believe that if you are a Member of a band, at any time, and there is merchandising, THEN YOU ARE ENTITLED TO A CUT, IF YOU ARE ON THAT MECHANDISING!

7: How can ONE individual claim to own the name of a band when it took 4 indivduals to form that band! SO, I would ask TONY, WHERE IS YOUR LEGAL RIGHT TO THE NAME "BLACK SABBATH" AND THE RIGHTS TO ALL THE MERCHANDISING? IF you can satisfy me, and the rest of the fan base, I think that WE ALL would like that, so that we know the whole story. SO where are the FACTS, or are we going to let the legal proffession asset strip the people concerned! So come on TONY show US ALL the CONTRACTS!

8: A fellow oznoid posted that Tony was about to go (allegedly) bankrupt, for what ever reason, AND Ozzy allegedly bailed him out! Is this the action of a TRUE friend. Surely, OZZY could have said, sign me over the rights, and I will let YOU have the money!

9: Concerning the fishythingymebob's entry, Black Sabbath tried and failed with the double Album "Live Evil". As much as I like RJD's work, and most of it is good, so please do not hate me for saying so, BUT Neither Ozzy or RJD can sing the majority of the others songs, for they have their own styles, and vocal ranges! The only people close to OZZY's vocal range are Iam Gillan, and Tony the cat Martin! End of story, jackornory! With that I know that I am not the only one in wishing that the fishythingymebob, would just disapear in a PUFF of smoke, to where ever it came from, and leave us all alone!

10: The sacking of Ozzy made OZZY a STAR in his own right. Pushed by his manager, and then his wife, (MRS 10%) Ozzy is best part/clean now and maki9ng more money as a solo Artist, and if you watch the Black Sabbath Last Supper tape/DVd, Geezer, and Tony say that they wish that they are as rich as OZZY! OK we know Ozzy's voice can be crap, but his persona carry's off the show! The others as much as I like them can not replace HIM. RJD has his style and thought process in song writing and Ozzy has his. As a solo Artist, he has more input, and most of all the great cut of the profits! That asside, Tony IS NOT Black Sabbath, it is primarily those 4 guys from Aston Birmingham England, Geezer Butler, Tony Iommi, Ozzy Ozbourne, and Bill Ward in Alphabetical Order, even though they ARE EQUAL PARTNERS!

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it seems though it can use words ,,wow who would of thought,,but yes LD is right you can go now,,and crawl back up a road kills arse

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Oh the fish thing can express itself in proper words.
thanks for your oppinion. You may go now.

your opinion is sad ,,go away as real people are here,,,go find a life at madonnas site

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i am a real fan and what you have stated is false,sorry mate in my eyes ozzy is a legend and will always be,,and if you worship iommi that much why are you here,,im not telling you to go away ,just lighten up on the ozzman hey..how old are you and when your turn comes to be old i hope for your sake people dont kik out your walking stick and or let down the tyre of your wheel chair and push you down stairs,,every one gets old ,fact of life ,,and im hoping ozzy continues for a long time to come,,just lighten up mate

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this is the gospel according to john (water flung outwards into the crowds, fingers bent and arm uplifted in the perfunctory blessing sign as he passes).

Tony Baloney [Only-I-Owni and if you don't like it go f@ck yourself] Iommi's most hailed and religious defender is amongst us. all bow your heads to "THE TRUTH" now...ya hear? :oP

I do see Ozzy's rational Mr Scape. But I don't see how owning the name and getting a little bit more money will preserve Sabbath's name. All it would do is let Sharon buy something a little bigger, a little nicer, and a hell of a lot more expensive. Ozzy has plenty of money. In the past (post Reunion) whenever Sabbath went on tour Tony and Ozzy signed contracts regarding the sales of tickets, merch, whatever. And they were fair (fair enough) otherwise neither party would have signed them. Owning the name is all about how you let others use it. Now if it were up to Ozzy and Sharon post NSD-Sabbath would be erased from history, this is the main reason blacksabbath.com is the way it is. Sharon owns the domain name and thus everything that goes on it, but Tony owns the name. Tony would like a site similar to Joe Seigler's and a link was placed on the site navigating you there. Now there's just Ozzfest merch.

If Ozzy was really concerned about treating the original members fairly any contract he signs regarding Sabbath would also be signed by Geezer and Bill instead of treating them basically as musicians for hire. I point you to the Ozzfest where Bill's spot was filled with Mr Vinny Appice. So again how does it do anything to Sabbath's legacy? How does it remove the taint that The Osbournes and all of $haron's reality TV dealing brought to both Ozzy, and likewise (due to the legacy, his PART) Black Sabbath?

I honestly don't think Ozzy can ever restore himself in the publics eye, unfortunately. Back in the day Ozzy was the craziest dudes around, he lapped up Nikki Sixx's piss for crying outloud. He was one of the rockers who would corrupt the ears of any youth who listened to his music! Before I knew anything about Black Sabbath and my dad was going to China he asked me if he should look out for any CDs on the cheap, I said Sabbath and he laughed. Sabbath was evil music. My uncles and aunts shared that same thought, Ozzy was a crazy evil guy. Since the Osbournes any comment about Ozzy is followed by mocking laughter due to his portrayal in The Osbournes of a bumbling old drugged out fool. And to any real fan this would piss you off. Even people who "used" to listen to his music see him like this, they can't imagine going to see him shuffle around stage. When, and I don't really have to tell you, thats not the case at all, Ozz always runs around the stage acting like the madman we know and love.

I just don't see how knowing that Ozzy is making even more money off his wife's relentless and ruthless dealing will do anything to the Sabbath name, let alone improving it after Ozzy's walk into Hollywood.

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Tony Iommi = God, his arch angels are Ozzy Osbourne, Dave Walker, Ronnie James Dio, Ian Gillan, Dave Donato, Glenn Hughes, Ray Gillen, Tony Martin, and Bill Ward (bassically everyone who sang on a song labeled Black Sabbath)

for me ozzy is wright but he didn't have to attend too much time to said to iommy his reasons. Thank you for the situation

fair enough

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Well big guy I personally feel as if Ozzy, Ward, & Butler all should get a fair piece... After all they are the original members, and all contributed to making the sabbath name carry the weight an merit it does today. Like I said nothing against RJD but he nor anyone who filled in after made sabbath as relative as it is today!

And when Iommi sells a t-shirt, or anything sabbath related that bears the name upon it, all who created the origanal line up should get a little somthin' somthin'...

Seems only fair to me, IMO....

And that goes for any member, original, or even those who came after, such as RJD, and Gillan... Iommi in this day and age can afford to pay out to those who made it work, Iommi alone is not f***in' black sabbath, period.....

Just my thoughts bro, I do see your point however...

I think there is more to this than just money OJ..

I think Ozzy is being honest when he says he is trying to preserve the sabbath legacy, and to keep it in the family so to speak... Do you see the rationality of it all, or you just blinded by your undying love for Iommi bro??

I mean come on man Ozzy isn't hurting for money, not enough to ostracize himself from being Iommi's friend yet once again, not this late in life I would hope not anyway, don't you???

Scape

<strong>Ozzy:</strong><cite>"I have no regrets except that I wasn't up to keep Randy (Rhoads) from getting on that plane." (Ozzy Osbourne, Guitar World Issue 37, 2000)
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Ace and Peter get some KISS cash cause a judge agreed with them that the Spaceman and Criss Cat are THIER face and likeness. But why should Ozzy get any piece of money from the sale of Cross Purposes or Born Again? Fact still remains that a lot of other people appeared on more albums than Ozzy all recorded and released as Black Sabbath. Tony Martin has been on 5, Ozzy has been on 8, Bill Ward has been on 10 (BS-H&H, + BA), Geoff Nichols has been on ten (H&H-F), Geezer has been on 13 (BS-BA + CP), and Tony has been on all 18 Black Sabbath albums.

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Tony Iommi = God, his arch angels are Ozzy Osbourne, Dave Walker, Ronnie James Dio, Ian Gillan, Dave Donato, Glenn Hughes, Ray Gillen, Tony Martin, and Bill Ward (bassically everyone who sang on a song labeled Black Sabbath)

Hey guys I know it’s hard to keep a level head when were all talking and discussing Ozzy & Sabbath, because if your still here and present within this forum in its current shape, well you must feel pretty passionate about all this s***…

Now OzzyJohn did make some valid points with the lawsuit, and especially how it must be perceived within the Iommi camp. However from what I understand Ozzy has been after Iommi in doing this for years now, not, and I’m sorry OzzyJohn since Heaven and Hell has become a hit..

IMO Iommi should have nipped this in the ass a long, long time ago and made all four equal part in the royalties, and that includes even what money has been generated since Ozzy, or the rest of the original band members bailed, leaving only Iommi behind..

For example Ace of Kiss gets his share of the money even today though he hasn’t been part of the band for years now, and I think its fair, especially since Ace was a founding member, & if he hadn’t been the name Kiss might not have had, or have carried the clout that it has managed to have all these years… So if Ozzy gets a percentage of what is made off the Sabbath name, whether he was or wasn’t a part of the actual band at the time is the price Iommi pays for not taking care of this situation years ago, prior to his catalog after Ozzy was booted from the band, prior to his new found success with heaven and hell, Iommi shouldn’t have dragged his dick on this one, he should have protected himself as well as the namesake of the band before it ever came to Ozzy doing this, or having the position in doing so……

Unlike you OzzyJohn I have no problem with Ozzy getting a piece of anything that has the Sabbath name on it, and why should I?? Outside of Iommi Ozzy is the main reason that name carries any real weight, or credibility within the music scene these days..

The rest that followed Ozzy were simply filling in, and even though Dio did a decent job, he didn’t have a part in making the name black Sabbath mean what it does today, or even way back in the day when they came to the states. It was Iommi, Osbourne, Butler & Ward that made and allowed the name Black Sabbath to become immortal! To say other wise is blasphemy in my heart.

Look I love Iommi, I mean its f***in’ Tony Iommi man!

But….

Tony is partly to blame for this ridiculous situation; he should have used a little foresight and nipped this issue in the ass years ago, not allowing anyone to make a false claim… I suspect maybe Iommi was happy with the situation, and why wouldnt he be???

When you can have your cake & eat it too….…..

Later…

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Scape

<strong>Ozzy:</strong><cite>"I have no regrets except that I wasn't up to keep Randy (Rhoads) from getting on that plane." (Ozzy Osbourne, Guitar World Issue 37, 2000)
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you won't help any saying stuff like that. We can turn it around if we try

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Tony Iommi = God, his arch angels are Ozzy Osbourne, Dave Walker, Ronnie James Dio, Ian Gillan, Dave Donato, Glenn Hughes, Ray Gillen, Tony Martin, and Bill Ward (bassically everyone who sang on a song labeled Black Sabbath)

I don't really care anymore to be honest. This forum has turned into a huge pile of s***

thats uncalled for HOD

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Tony Iommi = God, his arch angels are Ozzy Osbourne, Dave Walker, Ronnie James Dio, Ian Gillan, Dave Donato, Glenn Hughes, Ray Gillen, Tony Martin, and Bill Ward (bassically everyone who sang on a song labeled Black Sabbath)

Looks like we've got an aggressive fangirl here. Go ahead and deny it, you're only fooling yourself. Just learn when to shut your f***ing mouth already.

Oh you've got me. All I think is I am god. Why did I try to hide it from you. Did I say singlehandedly? No, I said help. And one lone dissenting opinion, I think not.

But why are you attacking me and my opinion? Is it because you can't think of anything better to back up your own views. Do you think I'm making this stuff up as I go. I am merely building on up my stance to strengthen my side of it. Instead of doing the same you only seem to be able to attack. If you're looking for self importance look at yourself who seems to have the only opinion that counts.

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Tony Iommi = God, his arch angels are Ozzy Osbourne, Dave Walker, Ronnie James Dio, Ian Gillan, Dave Donato, Glenn Hughes, Ray Gillen, Tony Martin, and Bill Ward (bassically everyone who sang on a song labeled Black Sabbath)

>>>>>Its a rather cheap shot questioning my fandom of Ozzy. (one breath) Further more I have studied law, and Ozzy'd better hope I don't talk to Tony's lawyers and help them construct their defense. (the next)

i'm bowing now, quite impressed. what with saying how Ozzy is a big jerk and nasty to his supposed friends. being close friends with a webmaster who "knows" the band, wow, that was very important...but not important enough. now "you've studied law" and single handedly can construct the defense for Iommi that will humiliate Ozzy and result in the (what is already according to you a flimsy) suit being thrown out of court.

I find it hilarious how much you go on and on about this stuff ad nauseum, and as you do your own self importance (and library of skills) grows. hey, are you a publicist too? did you advise Sharon when she wrote "Extreme?" i somehow could go there with that.

given your state of conviction and centrality (and non-peonic state of course) to everything one would think you'd be dialing in to THE MAN, (GOD?) himself, and making all of your knowledge and opinions known to someone who i'm very sure would bend a big ear to hear them. why not show your "fandom" and "supposed" friendship of Ozzy and all (provided you actually landed an audience).

decaying to threats is a very lame thing indeed. it says alot about the man behind the moniker. so does calling in backup to deal with one lone dissenter of your opinion. lol.

love the use of loaded words "flimsy," "can easily be argued against," "any judge after hearing such arguments would be legally bound to throw out the case." "manipulating the system" "dragging Tony thought a ridiculous lawsuit." once again opinion, but "touche." very clever to the sleeping.

and Hand? (backup to ozzyjohn?) ... making an assumption that i have not read the plethora of opinion on this matter is your mistake. i have, and do not see through the same lens (dark, shadowed, and markedly slanted towards your "God"). thank you ~ have a nice day !!!!

What does the legal ownership of a name have to do with legacy? Tony hasn't removed Ozzy from those records as Ozzy did to Daisley and Kerslake. Ozzy is still a part (the most "popular" part, atleast in the US) but owning the name has nothing to do with legacy. Its about money. Ozzy's records have sold incredibly well all over the world, going multi platinum on numerous occasions. Ozzfest is immensely popular, The Osbournes was MTV biggest show. What does Tony have? The name Black Sabbath and those fans who realize Sabbath is bigger than Ozzy Osbourne.

But why can't I discuss my opinions here? I thought this was a forum. A place to discuss and share opinions on Ozzy. Its a rather cheap shot questioning my fandom of Ozzy. I love the man for the music he's provided me with, but I'm not of the mindset that he doesn't have faults and he's always right in what he does. He has done some really s***ty things to supposed friends and this is just one of them. Further more I have studied law, and Ozzy'd better hope I don't talk to Tony's lawyers and help them construct their defense. The reasons Ozzy's attorney (Howard Shire) gave are flimsy and can easily be argued against and any judge after hearing such arguments would be legally bound to throw out the case. His lawyers are doing what lawyers do, manipulating the system and dragging Tony thought a ridiculous lawsuit hoping that he will settle instead of going to court. Ask anyone, lawyers are scum.

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Tony Iommi = God, his arch angels are Ozzy Osbourne, Dave Walker, Ronnie James Dio, Ian Gillan, Dave Donato, Glenn Hughes, Ray Gillen, Tony Martin, and Bill Ward (bassically everyone who sang on a song labeled Black Sabbath)

f_darkbladeus please visit <a href="http://www.black-sabbath.com/vb/showthread.php?t=31191">this link</a> and tell me how many disappointed fans you can find over this situation. And by fans, I mean actual fans, not the poser ones who are "Ozzy only, everyone one else is s***." Discussed in full in knowledgeable facts and opinions.

"YOU ARE NOT THE ATTORNEY NOR THE JUDGE." Neither are you. You've been putting up a fight just as much as anyone else here.

is there a broken record here? i'm wondering at your emotionalism in this ozzyjohn. let me get this straight - your webmaster (oh wait, you rather, ...as someone intimately in touch with him, who, according to you, has quite tight association with not only Tony [quite obviously your primary HIM], but also Bill and Geezer... can we all say "oooohhhhh," so therefore you KNOW, that's right) comes on this website and circles around with repetition why? oh yea, you are a "FAN" of Ozzy.

i also have read the lawsuit...it's been on the web for weeks now. and i reiterate (in case you missed my point last time) - your opinion is hardly "knowing." it is what it is, OPINION. it was stated, and unless someone is brain dead from the repetition of it (baaaaa, baaaaaaaaa, baaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa), understood.

but hey - get this...there wouldn't BE a lawsuit unless there were injustice going on and deaf ears to that on Iommi's side. that must be something that has been conveyed along the way in the number of posts on the main page, in the news sites, on the lawsuit - in Ozzy's statement ... the conversation according to Ozzy went on 3 years. surrounded by "fans" with the zeal you appear to have, however, maybe that can be seen as perspective on why Iommi (obviously believing he's the only one deserving to have the legacy) is being a stubborn man about this. right. got you.

so what about it is it that you are not understanding? (that's a rhetorical question, however i am sure you will respond ad nauseum). let me state this more clearly. deep breath...

YOU ARE NOT THE ATTORNEY NOR THE JUDGE - YOU are not trying this case, and cannot win anything about it. What you are is a man, like any other number of men WHO ARE NOT IN THE BAND. Therefore your opinion (or mine, or anybody else's) is like the plethora of a$$holes out there, we all have one, and sometimes they stink. You might feel that way about mine at this time - I might feel that way about yours. We are NOT the band, we are NOT the judge, this is NOT about us, and can NOT be decided by us. so our best course? is to await what happens. how novel.

if (as it appears) you cannot go on with life without a place to share your KNOWING, and devastation, i would think there'd be more support for on that other website you mention having such close ties to. also, from one human being to another - are you connected to the proper support network? Lord knows as time goes on you might need one. (LOL)

Also ozzien82, with regards to Tony's Live Nation lawsuit. Tony sued for them using the Sabbath name on the merch. Ozzy could've sued because they both signed that contract, but he is only entitled to his likeness and the name "Ozzy Osbourne" when it comes to merch, and thus it probably would cost more to hire the lawyers then they would get from the suit. Tony on the otherhand had the rights to everything that said "Black Sabbath" and he cashed in. I suspect $haron saw the dollar signs and wanted a piece.

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Tony Iommi = God, his arch angels are Ozzy Osbourne, Dave Walker, Ronnie James Dio, Ian Gillan, Dave Donato, Glenn Hughes, Ray Gillen, Tony Martin, and Bill Ward (bassically everyone who sang on a song labeled Black Sabbath)

Proof? OK. The lawsuit! What the lawyers filed directly says Tony owns the name and they are fighting to take that away. Sorry but I don't drop injustices. Ozzy and Tony have done some bad s*** to each other and I thought with the reunion it was buried. Ozzy has dug it up again. I love the man's music but this is all bulls***. He doesn't have a right to the name because the band continued without him. He has a right to the sales from HIS songs and HIS pictures, not the entire Sabbath catelog. Like wise with the other 50+ past and present members.

And I don't know everything, but I do know some things. I know people who have spoken not only with Iommi's staff but the man himself, you might be aware of him Joe Seigler. The guy who since 95 has created the greatest Sabbath site on the web, through tireless research for over 14 years. The guy who gets regular communication with the band and their staff. The guy who runs Geezer and Bill's personal websites, and gets backstage passes and get the hang out with the band when they play near his home. I'd say the only better source is the band but I can't get that close.

Ozzy will always have a legacy and a place in Sabbath history but he doesn't have a place in ALL of it. It continues far past the date he was fired, and it is continuing now with The Devil You Know and H&H.

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Tony Iommi = God, his arch angels are Ozzy Osbourne, Dave Walker, Ronnie James Dio, Ian Gillan, Dave Donato, Glenn Hughes, Ray Gillen, Tony Martin, and Bill Ward (bassically everyone who sang on a song labeled Black Sabbath)