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All of this Money for Short Setlists ... Getting Wor...

It really bothers me when you pay a whole lot of money on one seat, and the artist is on for like barely an hour or so. I love Ozzy, and will go to his concert at the Oakland Arena, but after these very short sets in Canada, I'm kind of worried. Aerosmith totally ripped us off by charging $200 for under two hours, even with Motley Crue co-headlining. I didn't go to Clapton at the San Jose Arena, but a friend who went said she was extremely dissapointed that he was on for barely an hour and yet charged so much money. People might lay all the blame on promoters, but ultimately, it is up to the artists to say if they perform or not; and the promoters obviously don't wanna risk losing millions of dollars from multi-millionare giants like Aerosmith and Eric Clapton. And if you search around the web, fans are even like split on this issue; some wholeheartedly agree while others will gladly fork over $15 for a rushed version of "Walk This Way." I'm going to this concert because I've never been to an Ozzy solo concert and God knows if I will ever get the chance again; but for other concerts in the future, I will seriously do my research.

Any thoughts?

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I saw Ozzy in October 1980, that whole first UK Tour the sets were only about 70min max. He's very rarely played long sets. Still love Ozzy

Ok let me break this down for you fireball, and I am not being mean by any means here, but maybe I can share a few of my own thoughts on the subject matter...

<strong>Fireball said:</strong> <cite>It really bothers me when you pay a whole lot of money on one seat, and the artist is on for like barely an hour or so.</cite>

<strong>Goats response:</strong> I understand your frustration fireball I really do, but the price of live entertainment has been skyrocketing for years now. I am unsure of your age, or what was the norm for you to pay when you last frequented the music scene, but for me I have never spent over 50 bucks for any artist or band to see them live, and when an artist does I usually say pass.

As for the time frame any artist plays, and I am 40 yrs old now and as far back as I can remember the norm time frame for most artists, especially the extremely popular ones, was anywhere between 45 minutes to an hour & 20 minutes, tops. So anything over that was a real special treat, one that was usually brought on by much floor stomping, & screaming encore, encore.

In other words you got what you were willing to pay for, sorry but that’s the way I see it all....

<strong>Fireball said:</strong> <cite> Aerosmith totally ripped us off by charging $200 for under two hours, even with Motley Crue co-headlining.</cite>

<strong>Goats response:</strong> I am really amazed at you being credulous enough to pay that much to see Aerosmith in the first place. I could maybe understand it if you was able to somehow time travel back in time and see them in the hey day of their career, but to be honest here I believe they have pretty much sold out, hired alternative writers from permanent vacation on to present day, the last time they did anything 100% original, & was written within the band lineup itself was "done with mirrors", I may be wrong here but I am pretty sure my statement is based on some actual fact.

Now you mentioning Motley Crue as an added selling point at paying 200 bucks for those Aerosmith tickets, well you would have to pay me $200.00 to endure that train wreck of a band for even 20 minutes, but that’s just me I guess, some of you people actually admire them idiots that are laughing at you all the way to the bank, but not this old veteran, not ever.

<strong>fireball said:</strong> <cite>I didn't go to Clapton at the San Jose Arena, but a friend who went said she was extremely disappointed that he was on for barely an hour and yet charged so much money. People might lay all the blame on promoters, but ultimately, it is up to the artists to say if they perform or not; and the promoters obviously don't wanna risk losing millions of dollars from multi-millionaire giants like Aerosmith and Eric Clapton. </cite>

<strong>Goats response:</strong> Gluttony is gluttony, makes no difference to me if it comes from the promoter, or the artist itself, some of it is a result of them thinking their art/music is worth this much to begin with, either a consequence of an over inflated ego, “Barbra Streisand” or by the sheer demand of their music, popular demand can be a real b**** for even the most over zealous music fan.

As for if an artist can stop this kind of behavior from occurring, I believe yes they can if it’s important enough for them to do so, in other words if they feel convicted enough about their fans paying such an over rated price to only have a few minutes at seeing them live. I commend Ozzy & Sharon both at trying to be fan friendly by making Ozzfest free this past year, but they are only one of a handful of artists that are even attempting to hit this thing head on, Peal Jam have spoken out on this issue as well, but to no avail I must say, prices are still outrageous as ever!

As for promoters, well we long time music fans should know what kind of scruples these people have, or so I would think anyway, shock, shock! lol

<strong>fireball said:</strong> <cite> And if you search around the web, fans are even like split on this issue; some wholeheartedly agree while others will gladly fork over $15 for a rushed version of "Walk This Way." I'm going to this concert because I've never been to an Ozzy solo concert and God knows if I will ever get the chance again; but for other concerts in the future, I will seriously do my research.
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<strong>Goats response:</strong> I do agree with you on the fact that the price of a concert ticket has gotten ridiculous beyond all end, but until we as fans stop paying it, an I am not pointing fingers here notating the $200.00 dollar Aerosmith & Crue tickets you yourself bought, but that’s what will permeate the loudest amongst these kinds of artists, just don’t buy those damn tickets my people, no matter the fact you may love their music, simply don’t buy them.

As for seeing Ozzy solo live, I say go bro, it soon could be a thing of the past, and even if Ozzy’s show isn’t as long as we all would like it to be, I strongly suggest catching as many of these still living music legends before they’re all gone. Some of my biggest regrets are missing Johnny Cash, Roy Orbinson, & Ray Charles. I say if the price is right, then make it a night, of great music, & memories that will last a lifetime.

And as far as doing research, that’s always a must bro, always!

Later bro!

<cite>"Being sober on a bus is, like, totally different than being drunk on a bus."</cite> - <strong>Ozzy Osbourne</strong>

I love Aerosmith; IMO, they're the greatest rock band of all time. And yes, I paid $200, but I assumed that we'd get an awesome long spectacle from the greatest rock band ever. Instead, they surprise us with an extremely tight but at the same time very rushed 45 minute set ... Steven Tyler even looked very annoyed at times. I dunno...

I still love them; to me, they're still the kings of the rock ballad. While some fans don't care for their more recent slow tunes, I love those songs. Honkin on Bobo is an amazing record; who knew that Steven Tyler would be a great blues singer?

Promoters today come off as ruthless; how I long for Bill Graham, you know? All artists have egos; it's just human nature as one becomes more successful. However, there's that point where some artists lose control, and it becomes ridiculous.

It is so amazing that Ozzy's still standing, as the guys been through so much more stuff than any other singer, even Jerry Lee Lewis. All the more reason to see him while I can.

And ya, research is mandatory. If I'm gonna spend over $150 again, it "better" be damn good..

And I'm in my 20's. I totally love all the 50's, 60's and 70's music, though ... Mamas & the Papas (one of the greatest groups ever), The Byrds, Dylan, Tom Petty, The Who, etc. I've always wanted to live during those times. Simpler times, and all the famous protests ... I'm very much into fighting for what's right, and am an Environmental Studies major and love Political Science.

OK, got on a bit of a tangent.

God f****n bless the Ozzman :)

Roses response to Goats response LOL....... Right on bro............ Ozzy is Ozzy and there WILL come a time when people will be glad they got to even see him at all. Why do I know this? Because I saw Led Zeppelin with John Bonham and AC DC with Bon Scott. Those are memories that I will always always cherish for the rest of my life. To be able to say that I was there and saw those legendary shows are some of the BEST memories of my life. Oh yeah and the Who with Keith Moon...... Aaaaaaaaaaahhhhhh geeeeeeesh and Van Halen with Diamond Dave in the early 80's..... I could go on... I wish I could have seen Elvis, The Beatles and others but I was too young....... I have a g-friend (she is dead now) that went to Woodstock. That would have been AMAZING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Go and see Ozzy!!!!!!! There will come a day when you will not be able to and will be kicking yourself in the ass for years....... I promise you that...... Ozzy is the Godfather of Hard Rock and there will never EVER be another.................................

Love to all.......................... :-)

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There's still time to change the road you're on. ;-)

It would be good that if the tickets are going to be expensive that bands perform longer

Ozzy's setlist is pretty long, and the tickets aren't eventhat expensive.

He's playing a variety of stuff so be happy and stop complaining!

Ozzy played for almost 2 hours in Seattle.....

i can't belive this... quit f***ing complaining about the time of the set, and the price you have to pay. if you don't like it, then don't f***ing go, it's that simple... geez...

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HELLO!!!!!!!! Ozzy is almost 60 years old. Geeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeesh give him a break. The kick off shows are always always the best. Why? Because he has had a break. I have been doing this for years with Ozzy and that is why I know this. I always go to the kick off shows....... If you want a long set-list, go to the first show. If you know anything about Ozzy at all, you should already know this...... He doesn't do this s*** on purpose..... He does the best he can.... He has been screaming for decades and had multiple surgeries on this throat........ Give him a break and just enjoy the fact that you got to see him...... You have the CD's......... They are never going anywhere........ Listen to them........ We never (none of us) stay young very long and I am afraid that includes Ozzy as well............ If you can't "except" the fact that Ozzy just isn't 21 anymore then don't go to the shows..... Listen to the CD's......... Then you can get as long of a setlist as you want and it will always be perfect....................... Don't rag on Ozzy..... He is really really trying to do the best that he is capable of......I PROMISE you all that!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Love you all................................

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Goodbye to Romance ----- Yes, there are two paths you can go by, but in the long run
There's still time to change the road you're on. ;-)

I never said that he wasn't doing his best; I love him and will still go to this concert; for all we know it might very well be his final solo tour (and the first for me, anyway) ... the guy is not exactly in the same shape as Steven Tyler or Mick Jagger :).

However, I totally understand the fans who say they have been cheated; it happens all too often with other artists, you know? The indstry "is" screwed up and full of negative ripple effects. God knows that if Bob Seger or the Smashing Pumpkins were still as untouchable as they were in their heydays, their recent concert set lists would be cut in half.

(and JTLUK, surgeries to remove polyps or whatever is very common among all older rock singers)

I have to agree with Ozzy's rose...

See him early or take what you get. He always does the best he can, sometimes it is magic, sometimes it is well, less magical.

However, I don't see how anyone can say they have been cheated. Tickets are $85 (and that is the most expensive seats) and you get almost 3 hours of entertainment - 2.5 of which is top quality talent. To me, that is a pretty good deal. The Stones play for about 2 hrs and their tickets are $150 plus.

Aslo, Canadian audeiences tend to be a bit more reserved than their American counterparts - basically IME that is because their is tighter security at Canadian shows and no festival seating. I think Ozzy finds that a bit off putting and thus maybe he does a shorter show because he doesn't think the fans are as into it. YOu gotta go extra extra extra f***ing crazy to party with the Ozzman!

Well all I was trying to get across was that if the price is to high, then weigh it out & if its worth it to you then pay the price, if not then just pass on it all together, but don't cry about it after the fact, because by then you make yourself sound like a cry bag, wah I didn't get what I wanted!

Hell if I got what I wanted when I went to see any particular artist I love, they would be dead by the time I was done with them. Just remember people they are not performing monkeys, they are real people like you & me, & sometimes, just sometimes they don't always feel like doing 3 or 4 encores after playing a 2hour show.

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<cite>"Being sober on a bus is, like, totally different than being drunk on a bus."</cite> - <strong>Ozzy Osbourne</strong>

#1. The bands don't decide the ticket prices.
#2. All the guys you are mentioning are rather old and in cases like Tyler or Sixx its a miracle they are alive let alone playing. Less than two hours? You pour soul. Thats pretty good IMO. Two hours is a hell of a long time plus Aerosmith was the OPENING act.
#3 Even back in the day bands didn't play too long of set lists. Black Sabbath's Live Evil runs about 1hr 20min, Ozzy's Speak Of The Devil runs 1hr 10min.
#4 Be grateful Ozzy is actually playing a varied setlist for a change, I mean f*** FIRE IN THE SKY!!!!

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So, if they decided to charge say $900 for an hour of music, it would be alright because it's a miracle that artists above the age of 50 can still do what they love? It's really easy to do ... just stay totally healthy and be strict about taking care of the throat. Really ... that's all there is to it. I've taken vocal lessons and was in theatre, and "none" of this is rocket science. Artists above 50 who are no longer great ... you'll find that they've let themselves go, either vocally or physically or both. Heavy drug use early on can also have a permanent long-term effect on ones singing voice.

Promoters and bands adore people like you. If a promoter wanted to charge $1000 for two hours and the band were to refuse to perform, how likely is it that the promoter would say "ok"?

I wasn't being mean in the post, and yet your reply implies that I was.

YOU COMPLETLY MISS THE GOD DAMN POINT! SO f*** OFF!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Tony Iommi = God, his arch angels are Ozzy Osbourne, Dave Walker, Ronnie James Dio, Ian Gillan, Dave Donato, Glenn Hughes, Ray Gillen, Tony Martin, and Bill Ward (bassically everyone who sang on a song labeled Black Sabbath)

OH Geeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeesh!!!!!!! This is so way typical of Ozzy... Anyone that knows Ozzy knows that the setlists get shorter and shorter throughout the tour........ Sorry but OZZYjohn, OUTlaw, Scapegoat and a lot of us are very used to this.......... I always tell people that the kick off show is the one to see. Take a plane.... It is worth every dime......... :-)

Let's just hope Ozzy is OK........ His house may not be there now..... :-(

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Goodbye to Romance ----- Yes, there are two paths you can go by, but in the long run
There's still time to change the road you're on. ;-)