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Ozzy stop jerking us around

Stop jerking us around year after year and record an album with Sabbath. I don't get how the guy can release steller solo albums but says when he tried to work with Sabbath they couldn't write any good stuff. Scary Dreams, Who's Fooling Who (although not an official Sabbath song still had Iommi, Osbourne and Ward), Psycho Man, and Selling My Soul (would be better with Bill instead of the drum machine) were all pretty good songs.

Ozzy has the lame excuse that he doesn't want to tarnish the legacy but then he has a stupid reality show where he is portrayed (falsely) that he stumbles around picking up dog s***. Then every other year he plays the same 8 songs and two or three others. Vary the setlist atleast man. There is more to Sabbath than the debut, paranoid, and Master Of Reality. 8 f***ing albums of genius. Sure the latter stuff is a little different but it is still awsome and it is not OZZY'S band there are three other guys in the band.

Ozzy either take a chance and let the fans decide if the album is good or not, you've already destroyed the "legacy" as much as possible. The only thing an album can do is raise the legacy. I just want one more album 8 songs that shouldn't be too much to ask for and Tony, Geezer, and Bill are willing if Ozzy is serious.

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Chill out dude. Ozzy is awesome and if he don't want to do it, do you think your crying about it is going to make it happen? If he thinks doing another would tarnish it, then that is his opinion and I seriously doubt you can change that. The legacy will always live on. Sometimes it is best to leave what is alone. And we all agree it would be great, but it is not for us to say! Be happy we still have Ozzy rocking!

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As for Van Halen not changing their name bro, it is my opinion that they should have. Van Hagar as I like to call it was a slap in the face of what David Lee had done with Eddie & the boys. I hated 5150, & thought it was the biggest steaming pile of s*** ever; I was ashamed for Sammy, & ashamed for Eddie, what a joke. Now if they may have changed the name to being actually Van Hagar I might have seen it in a different light, but I doubt it, s*** is still s***, no matter what you may call it.

As for Kiss it sure couldn’t of hurt huh? Considering almost everything after they left was complete crap as well. Kiss died when they released their solo albums, then followed that up with dynasty, all pretty much crap. The only exception to that is that Paul & Ace managed to have the better of the four solo efforts, thus why I feel Frehley got the balls to bail when Gene an Paul started wanting to do crap like dynasty & the Elder. But that’s just my 2 cents on it all.

Now for Maiden, I noticed a difference when Dianno left, but it is almost never as damaging to a band when a musician leaves as opposed as to when a vocalist leaves. Sorry there is no denying that something has changed when you hear war pigs, compared to something along the likes of heaven and hell by Dio.

Now Guns & Roses only provokes a laugh with me, I can only be nice and say the first album was ok for the time, especially when you consider the competition it had with bands like poison & faster pussycat around lmao. But they turned out to be a bunch of losers in my book, & turned me off with all the ego bulls*** that came into play much later, I only look at them now as a over glamorized girl band, because the girls were the only ones that continued to really listen to them, or buy their records after Appetite & lies, but that’s MHO.

Now with what if the shoe had been on the other foot, I have to say for myself that I may not have even noticed Tony being gone from Sabbath to be truthful, at least not right away. Sorry but at that point and time there were far many other awesome guitar players that would have happily filled Iommi’s shoes. I will be fair and say that yes maybe the Sabbath sound would have changed a bit, but it would have been far less noticeable than the lead singer suddenly sounding like he swallowed a bottle full of steroids. Lol

As for pure talent goes; I don’t see Ozzy’s being able to sing any less of a talent than someone who can play guitar, & that is kind of a strange comparison??? I envy both, it’s a shame Iommi didn’t have both then maybe he could have not relied on someone else to work the mic & kept all the glory for himself, just a thought???

Peace bro

Scapegoat

What Ozzy is doing by not doing an album is denying Tony (note the ""y" not the "i" Toni Iommi is Tony Iommi's daughter) Geezer, and Bill the chance. I've read interviews from all 4 about the 2001 sessions and the other three have positive things to say about the material. I don't know about you guys but everyone I talk to loves Scary Dreams and if that is any indication of what the songs were like then they were great. I've seen Scary Dreams advertised as a demo from 1969. People hear and and think it is the classic Sabs, and isn't that what Ozzy wants, yet they only played it for one tour.

Don't get me wrong I love Ozzy and his solo material there isn't a song of his that I don't love but if he isn't serious about a new album I wish he'd let Tony, Geezer, and Bill move on without him. I new studio album with Dio or Tony Martin would be fabulous but I think Ozzy holds the rest back. Thats certainly the case with the set list.

I never understood the name Van Hagar, the was was started and belonged to Eddie and Alex, hence the name of the band was their last name. It wasn't Dave Van Halen it was Eddie Van Halen, thats where a lot of the talent was. Now thats not to say Dave wasn't great he was but when only one person changes it is up to the band leader (Eddie) to decide to change the name or not.

As for KISS, yeah Dynasty is a disgrace but Ace isn't a magice guitar player on a lot of those albums he didn't even record the songs cause he wouldn't show up. I personally like Crazy, Crazy Nights and a bunch of their releases, Vinnie Vincient was a great guitar player. But again Gene and Paul were the ones who started the project.

Was Maiden damaged? The Dickinson era of Maiden is the most popular one. When any member of a band leaves it will change but that is not always a bad thing. a good case with KISS's Dynasty. If things stay the same it becomes nostalgia (in the case of Sabbath platying Ozzfest) Heaven and Hell was different from Never Say Die but both a killer albums. When Bill left after H&H you can tell the difference but it was for the best as with Paul in Maiden and Ace in KISS. These guys were killing themselves.

GNR, yeah they developed ego but thats what tends to happen with fame. Axl is a great singer but Slash is a god among men, but after Axl whined enough he got the right to the band and was tus able to change anything he wanted.

The singer is the frontman that is true, that is what is most prominent but some people need time to get themselves together cause they are hurting themselves. Tony didn't go to the mic because he is not a singer and it would limit his playing onstage.

At the time when Dio came into Sabbath the band was thinking about a different name but as a BAND they decided to keep it. And again when Ian Gillan came around they were going to go with everyone's last names but with Bill behind the kit they decided to stay with Sabbath. It wasn't until Seventh Star when it wasn't the band (mostly Tony) that Tony was pressured by outside sources (the record company) who had no business in band decisions. But by the time Tony Martin came into Black Sabbath there was no point in dropping the name.

Each era was a little different but each carnation of Black Sabbath has had amazing musicians as with the different carnations of Van Halen, KISS, Guns N Roses, Iron Maiden, ect and it is stupid to dismiss something because one or two or all but one member is gone or because it is different.

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Tony Iommi = God, his arch angels are Ozzy Osbourne, Dave Walker, Ronnie James Dio, Ian Gillan, Dave Donato, Glenn Hughes, Ray Gillen, Tony Martin, and Bill Ward (bassically everyone who sang on a song labeled Black Sabbath)

I agree with Ozzy that it would tarnish their legacy if they recorded a new album. It would be like when Michael Jordan returned to basketball the last time and he didn't do so well. He could have went out on top, but instead he came back and didn't play as well anymore. If Ozzy were to record a new album with Sabbath, I am willing to be that even though it would undoubtedly be good, there would be a lot of people who would talk s*** about it and most people would not like it as well as the classic albums. It's hard to match the quality of classic albums like the Ozzy years Sabbath recordings and it might change Sabbath's (with Ozzy) history from being a band known for releasing all kick ass albums to "Remember when they tried to release that new album and it was a total flop?" I'm not saying I know for sure that it would be a flop and I'm definitely not saying that it wouldn't be a good album, just that it most likely would not live up to everyone's expectations and would be a risk to their legacy. Ozzy still kicks ass today like he always has, but to expect him and the rest of the band to match their performances of over 30 years ago is not realistic. As someone else put it, we should be glad that Ozzy is still around making his own kick ass music and I don't think anyone has given as much to his fans as Ozzy has. Long live The Prince of Darkness!

I always understood the name Van Hagar; it made total sense to me. I was a Hagar fan long before Van Halen to be honest. Now as for Eddie being entitled to keep the name, well the answer is of course so, it’s after all his actual last name. But do I think it was a good idea, nope I don’t. I think it would have been far cooler, & a lot easier for people to accept than still adhering to the entire last name of “Van Halen”. Now as for our boy “Sammy”, I will take “solo” Hagar over what he did with Van Halen any day of the week, but that’s just my personal taste. To each his own I say, if Hagar with Van Halen rocks ya, then more power to ya, but to me I tuned completely out in those days with Hagar. As far as I am concerned Van Halen died a long time ago, & in my eyes he basically got lazy as a guitar player, but that’s just how I feel about it all….

Now as for Ace, I totally agree with you that Ace is a street level player at best, now that doesn’t mean I don’t respect him for the inspiration he gave for a lot of the up & coming guitar players during his reign with Kiss, Dimebag Darrell to name just one of the many few. To me Ace is basically just a guy that was at the right place at the right time, or so I see it that ah way, maybe you do as well. Now since you mentioned Vinnie Vincent, yes that boy sure can play, I mean wicked he is, but he is as crazy as a June bug, & with him being insane, well it has only managed to exile him from the band completely & I strongly suspect forever. What a total maroon. Haaahahahahaa!

I agree the Dickinson years are by far the best, & I tuned out when he finally bailed. As for it being a good thing when a singer leaves I guess it all depends. Personally I think a lot of bands should take a lesson from rage against the machine joining up with Chris Cornell via melding into becoming Audioslave. Here is an excellent example of when I think it was almost pure genius to change the name when the original singer stepped out, why? Because Audioslave doesn’t sound a s***in ass thing like rage, and never will. Now that doesn’t make me like Audioslave any more, or less as far as their musical content goes, but as far as not insulting me by trying to pass it off as rage against the machine, well I appreciate that fact, & I also appreciate them having the balls to try something new & different, & not be afraid of not having the name as a selling point when it comes time to sell all those millions of records. So with that all said & done, my universal point is that a band can almost always make band changes when it comes to bass & guitar, even drums & it wont really effect the sound of the whole band, or at least not as detrimental as when canning your lead vocalist.

All I am really trying to say here, is that bands should not be so afraid of letting go of the original name they made it with, they should let the music do the talking, & f*** it when it comes to the original name of the band. If the music is good the people shall come/buy, the bands name could be anything, or they could look like anything, for instance they could all start wearing suit & ties, & I would still buy the music, the packaging isn’t the focus point really, its whether it kicks me in the balls or not that matters to me, but that’s just me & what I look for in a band, the actual music content.

As for "GNR" I hear ya, but to be fair Tony & Ozzy never got as stupid as Axl Rose, yuck! I have to say no to Axl being a good singer, in fact I think he pretty much sucks, & always has. Instead I will say he was a descent front man, he could work the audience pretty well, up until he lost his mind & started creating riots, lol. But I could, & can sound almost exactly like Rose, so it is on that note I base my statement of his so-called talent, the best he will get from me is he was kind of creative. Slash I have nothing but respect for, I am happy he went on to do his own thing with Velvet Revolver kind of re validating his credibility as a real rock & roll musician, instead of just another over night sensation. But Slash is no Tony Iommi if ya know what I’m sayin lol…

As for the singer is the front man; I say yes no doubt about it. Now for Tony not going to the mic stand because it would limit his playing ability. I kind of hear you, but I think Tony didn’t have the singing talent to do it himself obviously, now lets say if he could indeed sing as well as he played guitar would it have been some kind of hindrance to him, I kind of think not. It never seemed to be the case for guys like Eric Clapton, Neil Young, or John Lennon. They all made awesome careers for themselves at doing both. So it is for these reasons I feel if Tony would have had a incredible singing voice to go along with those awesome doom riffs of his, well the world might have never, ever known who the hell Ozzy Osbourne was.

Peace

Scapegoat

is it really up to ozzy to do what he wants anymore? or does sharon have the final say? pssssst meoww

Lennon and Clapton have different styles of music, BLS is a prime example. In the studio Zakk does everything except drums but live he needs a 2nd guitar player he is limited by singing and playing at the same time. Going on live performances Zakk is much more impressive with Ozzy than BLS.

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Tony Iommi = God, his arch angels are Ozzy Osbourne, Dave Walker, Ronnie James Dio, Ian Gillan, Dave Donato, Glenn Hughes, Ray Gillen, Tony Martin, and Bill Ward (bassically everyone who sang on a song labeled Black Sabbath)

"I agree with Ozzy that it would tarnish their legacy if they recorded a new album. It would be like when Michael Jordan returned to basketball the last time and he didn't do so well. He could have went out on top, but instead he came back and didn't play as well anymore. If Ozzy were to record a new album with Sabbath, I am willing to be that even though it would undoubtedly be good, there would be a lot of people who would talk s*** about it and most people would not like it as well as the classic albums. It's hard to match the quality of classic albums like the Ozzy years Sabbath recordings and it might change Sabbath's (with Ozzy) history from being a band known for releasing all kick ass albums to "Remember when they tried to release that new album and it was a total flop?" I'm not saying I know for sure that it would be a flop and I'm definitely not saying that it wouldn't be a good album, just that it most likely would not live up to everyone's expectations and would be a risk to their legacy. Ozzy still kicks ass today like he always has, but to expect him and the rest of the band to match their performances of over 30 years ago is not realistic. As someone else put it, we should be glad that Ozzy is still around making his own kick ass music and I don't think anyone has given as much to his fans as Ozzy has. Long live The Prince of Darkness!"

So you are saying that when people see the "hit" show The Osbournes and laugh at the way he is portrayed, incoherent and picking up dog s*** that doesn't tarnish the legacy. I'm not expecting them to match their albums from 30 years ago, and I agree it would be foolish to but listen to Fused and Ohmwork. Tony and Geezer's playing is top notch, and I''ve only hear IDWS but it's pretty damn good and I've heard from people who have heard the entire album say it is killer. And Bill is the one who says time and time again that he really would love a new studio album. Then how can Ozzy put out a solo album but not a Sabbath album. Is his olo band not as good as Sabbath or have less of a legacy? No. It is foolish to think that right after he does a great solo album that one with Sabbath wouldn't be great.

And Sabbath doesn't have the legacy of ALL kickass albums even today Technical Ecstacy and NSD are poorly reviewed. Even Ozzy's last album DTE was poorly reviewed and considered one of his weakest albums. Back in the day Sabbath got terrible reviews, it doesn't matter what the critics think, its the fans. If Sabbath were to do an album it would go platnium easily.

I hear ya bro, but Zack has managed to have a successful solo career, due mostly to the fact he can manage doing more than one thing at a time. In other words for those who can do both equally, relying on a lead singer to do the job is not a fundamental factor with them being successful or not. Iommi may, or may have not been as successful if it had not been for Ozzy, no one will ever know if thats the case or not. But I have my hunches that Iommi knew he needed Ozzy, him not staying with Jethro Tull during his temporary hiatus's from Sabbath during the filming of rock n roll circus with the stones, kinda proves my theory as to Tony not being as happy outside of Sabbath, and having much more faith in what he was originally doing with Ozzy & the boys. but thats just my take on it all...

Scapegoat

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Mattman
A new Sabbath album would be great,But if not at least we still have Ozzy.Ive been a fan since 1980,Im 36 now and can say I have every album ever made by Ozzy or Ozzy era Sabbath.My computer is full of Ozzy wallpapers and songs,I have dolls hot wheels posters picture discs the works .So as an old school fan I say if it happens awesome if not oh well bu Get off Ozzys ass,hes done so much for his fans,so leave him alone.

hey OJZWHATTHEf***EVER youre 19 right. get over it be thankful that OZZY is still around for you to see him. i saw him in 2005 w sabbath. new stuff never works and it does tarninsh what he has done with sabbath. let the man keep doing what he does best, rock out w ZAKK.

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keep it real, hard, and heavy as hell
Bleed Black Label Society

Ozzy and Sharon have done so much for us fans. What about them...they might want to live out the rest of their lives in peace and not have to worry about ungratefull wankers. If I was Ozzy ....I would tell Toni to shove it. Did he not get what he wanted? Demanded? Now that Ozzy is a multi zillionaire I'm sure Toni is pressing for an album. I'd like to work with Ozzy too ...hmmm...seems like a pretty sure way to make a few hundred thousand dollars real quick. I loved Toni's playing and all he has done for rock guitar but his arrogance really bothers me. Toni dumped Ozzy flat on his ass. I'm pretty sure Toni has as good a memory as Ozzy and vice versa. I personally would have loved to see Toni's reaction when he heard Randy play children of the grave the first time...or the first time he heard Blizzard.
I say OZZY...YOU JUST KEEP SHARON HAPPY BUD AND ALL WILL WORK OUT.
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If I had any problems with Ozzy, then he wouldn't be my hero and idol for my entire life. I wouldn't record his E! True Hollywood shows, buy his albums, or s*** myself when he's going to be on Leno, Kimmel, Ferguson, or that other dude. Just.... He's cool and there's nothing bad about him. But Ozzfest 2007, I want my idol to play a lot of songs!! How do I figure out what he's playing at Ozzfest? Has he said yet?

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"new stuff never works and it does tarninsh what he has done with sabbath"

What do you mean new stuff never works? Black Rain kicks ass, Psycho Man Selling My Soul and Scary Dreams are great, Fused rocks, and the new Sabbath tracks with Ronnie are awsome. Does Black Rain tarnish the music/legacy from No More Tears or No Rest For The Wicked? NO! Those albums still make fans put their fists in the air just like Black Rain does and a new Sabbath album would.

"Ozzy and Sharon have done so much for us fans. What about them...they might want to live out the rest of their lives in peace and not have to worry about ungratefull wankers."

Then retire, I'm fiine with that or if Ozzy gives one final statement that there isn't ever gonna be a new album.

"If I was Ozzy ....I would tell Toni to shove it. Did he not get what he wanted? Demanded? Now that Ozzy is a multi zillionaire I'm sure Toni is pressing for an album. I'd like to work with Ozzy too ...hmmm...seems like a pretty sure way to make a few hundred thousand dollars real quick. I loved Toni's playing and all he has done for rock guitar but his arrogance really bothers me. Toni dumped Ozzy flat on his ass."

First note the f***in "y" in TonY's name. Toni, or Toni-Marie, Iommi is his daughter. Don't you dare cast all blame on Tony. If Tony hadn't fired Ozzy, Ozzy might have just drank/smoke/snorted his way to an early grave and we would never have gotten Crazy Train, Diary Of A Madman, Randy Rhoads, or Zakk Wylde. And its not like Ozzy isn't arrogent with his feud with the equally arrogent Ronnie Dio, or Sharon egging Iron Maiden and sending Tony a bag of her stool.

Also, do you think Tony doesn't have money? Okay, not as much as Ozzy because unlike Sharon, Tony's wife doesn't sell Ozzy out by portraying him on TV and a mumbling stumbling drgged out freak, which we all know he isn't. Tony has the rights to the name Black Sabbath and every time the name is used on a best of CD Tony gets $$$.

"I personally would have loved to see Toni's reaction when he heard Randy play children of the grave the first time...or the first time he heard Blizzard.
I say OZZY...YOU JUST KEEP SHARON HAPPY BUD AND ALL WILL WORK OUT."

Randy himself said he didn't like playing the Sabbath tunes just because the two players' style varied so much. Randy wasn't a big fan of Sabbath and thus didn't give the attention to the songs as a fan would have. His renditions are great but it is nothing like hearing the songs played by Tony. Also those songs are nothing special because every one of the Sabbath songs Randy did play have since and previously been covered by hundreds if not thousands of guitarists. I'm sure that when he heard Blizzard Of Ozz he thought 'good for him' because Tony saw the shape Ozzy was in and Ozzy wouldn't have been able to come up with those melodies with Tony or Sabbath's sound. Everyone says thank god for Sharon for pulling Ozzy out of that hotel room or Ozzy owes it all to Randy, but none of that would have happened if Tony hadn't fired Ozzy. It might have looked terrible to Ozz at the time but in hindsight IMO it was one of the best thing for everyone. Tony got together with Dio and Gillian and Hughes while Ozzy found Randy Rhoads and Zakk Wylde, and both creating great music.

But yes keep Sharon happy with her $60,000 tiolet and her stupid appearences on TV.

First off lets establish that Ozzy doesn’t need anybody at this point of his career, the man could be dollied out on stage dead with a mic taped to his wrist & he would still manage to bring down the f***in house, why? Because he is f***in Ozzy Osbourne, a living legend & that’s an undeniable fact!

Now with that said, let’s move on with would a new Sabbath album tarnish his career. As for our much-loved Ozzy Osbourne returning to the studio with Tony Iommi to finish the unfinished Sabbath tracks for this promised new Sabbath album. I personally don’t see the harm in it if it was to indeed happen, nor will I personally cry myself to sleep at night if it never actually transpires. Why? Because he & the rest of the boys in Sabbath gave us an incredible library of work that not only inspired the youth of that particular era, but created a whole new jondra of music. Not everyone in the music industry can take claim to that mantle & not be a little full of s***, but Ozzy can, & he rightfully should.

As I calculate the solo career of Ozzy in my head, looking back at his entire library of solo work, I personally, as much as it deeply pains me, only find his first 2 solo albums to be his most breathtaking work, as far as being truly great from start to finish that is. I am not at all tearing at what came later, but the chemistry between Rhoads & Ozzy undeniably is down right magical. So much so that it still makes the hair on the back of my neck stand straight up today. I love a lot of the music Ozzy has done since, but as far as an entire albums worth of music just blowing my f***in mind away, well it just hasn’t happened for me in a long, long time. As much as I wish it were the other way around, a fact is a fact & he just hasn’t managed to give me that much wanted thrill again. Ozzy himself has even recognized this fact to be true, & has openly stated it, thus making my admiration of him all the more solid, & true. To quote the Ozz man, every artist wants to paint his, or her own Mona Lisa each time they go to work, but this is a impossible task, and totally unrealistic view. I don’t wish, nor do I intend on offending any of you that may get that thrill from some of his later songs, but I honestly can say for me with each album since diary, there may be about 4, or 5 songs that I get into, & the rest of the album is just ok for me at best. Maybe I am a harsh critic, but in my opinion most artists need this kind of producer, or manager, it is then usually that an artist will dig deep and give out his best work.

Ozzy cannot tarnish the immortal music library called Black Sabbath, at least no more than Iommi has already done himself. I admire all the guys in Sabbath but what Tony allowed the record company to do with the release of some of the later Sabbath albums only featuring Iommi himself, & he not standing up to them and insisting it only be titled with his name alone, is just bulls*** in my humble opinion. I have forgiven him since, but it is something I cannot just simply forget about. Iommi’s Black Sabbath featuring Dio, Gillian, and who ever else was gullible enough to take the mic for Iommi back then has never been free of living in Ozzy’s shadow, nor will they ever be. Again no disrespect to those guys, I bought myself many a Dio album, as well as deep purple, but none of them are a pimple on Ozzy’s ass cheek.

I think it is safe to say Ozzy is reaching the twilight of his career; after all he is in his 50’s. I have had some people say to me that this rock icon has sold out, gone soft, but I can say in a matter of fact tone that even if he has mellowed some with age, or has somehow managed to get a little more radio friendly, or commercial in these later years, I can only say so f***in what of it? He has given us a dozen lifetimes filled with the enjoyment of his music, & shows. If the Ozz man wants to slow it down a little then I am more than happy with that, after all he has gone beyond earning it. So as for the Ozz man jerkin us around, I say bulls*** to that statement, because it is a selfish ass thing to say in the first place. You should be happy he is even doing any live shows, albums, anything. Because Ozzy hasn’t needed to do so for a long, long time now. He does what he does, when he does for us the fans, & we should never, ever take that for granted.

As always remember the Sabbath!

ScApEgOaT

i believe he intends to work on a Sabbath album. In the mean time, Heaven and Hell should keep touring. Dio's voice is still amazing, and everyone else is still going strong. Iommi is a god, and to see him play is an amazing thing. I wish he'd do the 20 minute solos that Zakk Wylde does too many of. Zakk is good, fine. but he goes overboard with it. Iommi is great, and i'd pay $50 to see him do a 2 hour solo.

"Ozzy cannot tarnish the immortal music library called Black Sabbath"

bro, this is where I love you

But you're killing me with TI, tonY IomMi. And the pimple bit. Sure Ozzy is more famous but in terms of making great music with Tony they are all equal, different but equal.

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Tony Iommi = God, his arch angels are Ozzy Osbourne, Dave Walker, Ronnie James Dio, Ian Gillan, Dave Donato, Glenn Hughes, Ray Gillen, Tony Martin, and Bill Ward (bassically everyone who sang on a song labeled Black Sabbath)

Well I think that Ozzy seems to make good music no matter who he's with. I enjoy Black Sabbath, but I also enjoy his solo stuff. In fact, I think that his solo stuff is better than when he was with Black Sabbath, but that's just my opinion.

<strong>OjZoZhYn</strong>

I first & foremost want to apologize to you, or anyone that I may have offended with my comments about <strong>“Tony Iommi”</strong>. lol

I want it understood that I share the same love for all of the original line up that made Black Sabbath & always will. I personally however was always drawn, or guilty of identifying with Ozzy more so than any other member of the band. I was always drawn to Ozzy’s vocals more so than the molted lava guitar licks of Tony Iommi. But we all know that it was the chemistry of all four of them together that made Sabbath a monolith in the music community.

Now for all you that admire Tony more so, or as much as Ozzy that’s way cool in my book, one mans Ozzy is another mans Tony Iommi. So I understand this and completely identify with your admiration of the great Tony Iommi. I would never in a million years take anything away from Iommi, he was, & still is one of Rocks most cherished guitarists, & his legacy still lives on today an can be heard in every modern metal band, or contemporary rock artist of today!

Now with that out of the way I have to say just because I love a particular artist does not make me unbiased, or that I approve of everything they have done musically. For example this generations Sabbath I believe will be the band TOOL. I have been an avid fan of TOOL since their debut EP Opiate, all the way up to 10,000 days. But I have to say while 10,000 days is a decent effort on Tools part, in falls short of their past efforts by quit a lot. In my opinion it is simply lateralus part two, or sounds like its material that wasn’t good enough to make lateralus and was thrown on 10,000 days in the hope that it would get them by. When it comes to me & music, I am not just a guy who goes along with what is cool or acceptable for a artist at the time, nor will I buy or support an effort from a artist simply because their name carries weight in the music community. I judge an artists work fairly, & even when it down right grieves me to do so, will say what needs to be said no matter how unpopular it may make me at the time. I could go on for hours about what bands have failed to live up to their own hype, & what ones are still giving a 100% with every new release. So I wont bore you with all that, instead I will close by saying I love Sabbath, and with that I mean all of four of them. But I am not blind, nor dumb to the fact that all four of them have made some bone head decisions in the past, & when the truth be known I am sure any one of the four when asked will be the first to say that indeed they have dropped the ball a few times in the past. That is what makes these guys so awesome, that after all these years they are still humble, & keep it real. After all who needs another egotistical Gene Simmons in the world, I think one is far, far enough, do we all agree? lol

Remember the Sabbath, & forever keep it BLACK!

(For now my friends I will go edit my incorrect spelling of Tony's first & last name in my previous post, mostly because I am entirely ashamed I did so in the first place, & he deserves that at the very, very least, or so I think. lol)

Peace all!

Scapegoat :)

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william hale davis WELL YA KNOW WHAT THEY SAY ABOUT OPINIONS ??? and ozzy is just fine doing what he is doing!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

ScapeGoat

First off lets establish that Ozzy doesn’t need anybody at this point of his career, the man could be dollied out on stage dead with a mic taped to his wrist & he would still manage to bring down the f***in house, why? Because he is f***in Ozzy Osbourne, a living legend & that’s an undeniable fact!

This is really a good statement. I believe with all of my heart that Ozzy could be in a wheelchair, un-able to move and to walk with the mich latched onto him and still rock 100 thousand people. Why? Because he is Ozzy F******* Osbourne. That is the most powerful statement in rock and metal. Ozzy music has done so much for millions of people. He has inspired people to do things they thought they could never do.

I do like Tony. I like Tony with the orginal Sab 4. I do feel that he should have changed the name like Van Halen did with Hagar. Maybe Grey Sabbath aye?????

I have been Ozzy bashed too much and I am starting to calm down. I have not gone near the industry that made me crazy. Now aint that a trip. I leave a group of people that are suppose to be respectuful members of the community and world because I was driven nuts. I come back to Ozzy after being gone almost three years and I get my sanity back. I am actually going back to school. My time is going to be much much more productive that it has been in a long time..... Ozzy???? Got ME to see reality???? Now that is a first.... And they say he is nuts.... NOT.... He is very much Down To Earth (hey I know of a CD by that name LOL).......... Love him now and never stopped.........

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Ozzy to get back with Sabbath would be nice but they would never come to Utah, Everytime Sabbath is to play with Ozzy during Ozzfest something always turns up where the show has to be canceled. In the past Toni has flat out said in an interview that he hates Utah. Times have changed, the protests don't happen anymore Toni - get over it!
Ozzy is doing great doing what he does and possibly has proven that he was the back bone of Sabbath with his solo sucess - Don't change a thing, I can see why Ozzy wrote never gonna stop!!!!!! Don't!

Nette

Yeah lets me thankful he is still here with us after all the s*** he has been through menatly and physically. He almost died for God sakes..... Iron Man????? ;)

Leave the guy alone man....he`s doin` good for himself. Lewt him do what he wants. Sure it would be nice to have another sabbath album with The Ozzman singin`....but don`t push it. If it`s meant to be it`ll happen. Now I love Sabbath just as much as the next fan and I love Ozzy the same. Hell, I`ve been listenin` to Ozzy since I was 6 and I`m 28 now...I have all his albums I have the prince of darkness 4 disc set....and more. He`s done alot in his years. Liek I said, if it`s meant to be, it`ll happen. If not...so be it.....I love him just the same.

Van Halen didn't change their name. They were Van Halen with Roth, Hagar, and the new guy. Should KISS have changed their name when Criss and Frehley left? Of Maiden when Dianno left? or Deep Purple when John Lord left? When about Guns N Roses when Slash and rest of the entire band left?

If it had been some other way around and Geezer or Tony had a drug problem and was holding the band back I'm sure Ozzy would have kept on playing under Sabbath. IMO Tony is the most musically talented member of the origional four, followed by Bill, then Geezer. Ozzy is not very musically talented, yet he somehow pulls these wonderful melodies out of thin air and weaves them onto heavy riffs. No other guitarist can emmulate Tony and although Ozzy is likewise unimmitateable there are people who can do his job just aswell.

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Tony Iommi = God, his arch angels are Ozzy Osbourne, Dave Walker, Ronnie James Dio, Ian Gillan, Dave Donato, Glenn Hughes, Ray Gillen, Tony Martin, and Bill Ward (bassically everyone who sang on a song labeled Black Sabbath)