I luv your music from the 70's and now. "War Pigs and now Black Rain" your metal is imortal.
It depends on how much you define change as. To me it's a total flip flop of sound, and words and causes, and sounding the same as everyone else. School me on change huh. Lefty thank you. princess of darkness thank you also. And everyone else. Too evolve hmm somewhat but keep to the core values always in black yes yes always embrace the darkness lol. Da night has beauty not many people stop and take notice.
What mistakes? If he hadn't made the decision to fire Ozzy, the Ozzman would probably be dead. Ozzy turned the reunions down in 85 and 93(?).
Tony Iommi = God, his arch angels are Ozzy Osbourne, Dave Walker, Ronnie James Dio, Ian Gillan, Dave Donato, Glenn Hughes, Ray Gillen, Tony Martin, and Bill Ward (bassically everyone who sang on a song labeled Black Sabbath)
When an artist doesn't change, such as AC/DC for example, you end up losing your audience so to speak. Don't get me wrong AC/DC still have a large fan base, but it is nothing compared to their past glory, I know because I was there, & it is a far cry from what it once was. So Ozzy needs to keep things fresh, & needs to try evolving or the same fate may befall him, probably never to the extent that it has with bands such as AC/DC, but fans will eventually lose interest, and start to disperse.
God forbid that day comes!
<cite>"Being sober on a bus is, like, totally different than being drunk on a bus."</cite> - <strong>Ozzy Osbourne</strong>
I link him in with all the others OJ, they all were tore up on so much dope that the band fell apart, and Iommi was just a big a part of all that as anyone of them, so ya Tony made a few bad moves if you ask me, but as you said something good almost always comes out of something bad that happens to ya...
IOMMI WILL ALWAYS RULE!
<strong>Ozzy:</strong><cite>"I have no regrets except that I wasn't up to keep Randy (Rhoads) from getting on that plane." (Ozzy Osbourne, Guitar World Issue 37, 2000)
Goat I agree with ya, change is good in moderation?? I will always be an Ozz fan and a AC/DC fan lol. :-)
To evolve yes. What would be a good way for this for AC/DC, I question what they could do to evolve. Many people don't want to hear the guitar solos long like the old school days????? Shorten them up.?? I luv solos myself go Zakk go Angus lol.. Make my ears bleed lol. :-)) Peace. The Nos
Tony and Geezer weren't heavy users and had it under control. Ozzy was out of his mind, and shortly Bill too had to leave because he was an alcoholic. Some people can handle drugs and alcohol responsibly and some can't.
GOAT: your telling ozzy to stay with the times? yet you blast MetallicA for doing the same?wtf? so they said s*** about radio and video? and came to the understanding that to get their selfs out there they had to have a change of heart? and whats wrong with that? so im calling bull s***!
keep it real, hard, and heavy as hell
Bleed Black Label Society
IOMMI IS AWESOME!!!! dont argue on this one guys. itll just piss me off.
im running fast but getting nowhere.
i see the light but i never get there.
No but if your apple is begining to rot you throw it away and get an apple that isn't rotten. Its still an apple but it isn't rotten. I'm not calling Ozzy rotten, Ozzy needs to stay Ozzy just do something different. Such as a new Sabbath album with a new Sabbath sound ;). Neither Tony doesn't sound or play the same he did 40 years ago and Ozzy doesn't sound the same or sings about the same stuff, but it isn't a bad thing it is how they have evolved.
Axeus e Decessus, what the f*** dude?
If you dont like Ozzy then why dont you f*** off..
This is for his fans..
Not people that dont like him..
If you dont like him, thats fine..
Just dont join a fan site and dis him..
Thats just f***ing a waste of time!
I WANT OZZY, ZAKKY AND MIKEY... hehe.. xo
What I am saying by evolving is to try and add something new to the mix; I know this is scary for most artists once they have found a successful recipe for keeping a steady fan base. But on the flip side of the coin it can also be detrimental, it can be the death of your career if you refuse to evolve, to try new sounds, technique’s.
Regrettably I realize not everyone can be the Beatles, with the Beatles they did this all so well, they often changed. Of course there were some fans unsure at first as to if they were going to like the new Beatle sound/look, but in the end John & Paul had the last laugh. To me that is what made the Beatles so freakin awesome, that they created the trends, look at what occurred at Haight-Ashbury, look at the whole revolution of the 1960's, the Beatles led the way for the most part, even when you give out the fact that there were others involved in all that hysteria/change of the 1960's, it is Indisputable that the Beatles should be given credit for the bulk of that movement, & change.
As for AC/DC I personally lost interest after flick of the switch, it all was like listening to the first two albums with Johnson, I grew old of it and moved on. Now as for Bon Scott his vocals varied, yes he screamed his arse off, but he could do the blues like no other, he had a gift, a feel for it all. So old AC/DC I still love, but the Johnson years I am only fond of, in other words I smile when I hear it, it reminds me of my younger days, but I no longer bang my head to it so to speak. As for what I would suggest to Angus & Malcolm is to attempt to liven things up in the AC/DC front, I would suggest trying a different vocal approach, that we all know how well Brian can scream, but maybe it’s time for Brian to actually sing, or at least arrange the screams a little more creatively. I love a great rock & roll screamer, trust me, I am a big ass slayer fan!
I am not asking any artist to lose their whole sound, style, I am only saying experiment with your guitar sound, your arrangements, and keep it real with your lyrics, I for one am sick and tired of all the fluff, I want something I can identify with, but that’s just me, some may think differently….
And I am with OjZoZhYn on the whole thing of you can be different, & still maintain your roots, your vibe. All rotten apples should be thrown away, never a hesitation, never!!
I was listening to Glenn Hughes in my car today and I realized the he is a great example of artist evolution. Some people may recognize his name from the Coverdale era of Deep Purple where he did vocal with Dave and played bass, or from Black Sabbath in 1987's allbum "The Seventh Star", or Tony Iommi's last two solo albums "The 1996 DEP Sessions" and "Fused". And his solo material is INCREDIBLE. Different from Sabbath and Purple, he has a soul/funk thing to him but rock all the way. I really enjoy it. He is very diverse from Heavy Metal with Tony to some very soulful stuff and even did a Christmas album of classic Christmas songs a few years ago titled 'A Soulful Christmas". I also caught him on tour for his latest album "Music For The Divine" and he has an incredible range and is a very talented musician.
Sorry for ranting a bit but listening to "Music For The Divine" I realized that he has a contemporary sound but not in a way that sells out and it fits his style and voice and like Ozzy you know when its Glenn singing.
You should e-mail me some of that stuff bro, I would like to hear it sometime???? Is that cool?
Sure, where to?
i agree! even when people are talking trash about him he still maintains a massive fan base! it's awesome! but seriously dont you people hate the Ozzy bashers on this site.?.?.?
Goodbye to Romance. Goodbye to Friends.
Goodbye to all the Past.
I guess that we'll meet,
we'll meet in the end.
That iz wat keeps me a f***ing OZZY fan,when i heard BLACK SABBATH 4 the 1st time it was hiz voice that enchanted me. Sure i am a sabbath fan but when hiz voice was'nt in the mix itz like that era waz over now on with hiz solo,but hiz voice commands hiz loyal followers. He iz not youre average rocker ,how many groups have faded never to be seen again???????? Change i don't think itz about that i do believe we should be appreciate the good muzic he haz given uz. I don't want OZZY to reinvent himself,im sorry but those of you who want change need someone who reivents themselves every year iz MADONNA,but that aint muzic OZZY iz serious f***ing muzic,no offence but i will like watever the f*** he dishes out,im a f***ing OZZY fan 4gosh sakes.
I agree with ya. I have enjoyed the sound of Ozzy since I was just a litte tot. Ther is no need for him to change!
I am the last thing you will ever know
Ozzy is the f***ing godd..
Tony Iommi Is a f***ing prick!
Hallelujah! Always remember the Sabbath! And forever keep it BLACK!
OH NO YOU DIDN"T!!!!!!!!!!! Tony Iommi is awesome.
Nah, change is what makes a musician go from good to great. You gotta be kidding yourself if you think Ozzy hasn't changed even in the past 15 years. Change should be encouraged but above all it should NOT be feared. We need a new Sabbath album that combines Black Rain and Down To Earth with Fused and Ohmwork.
everythingin it's place, this is the meaning of one.
What your speaking of my friend is evolution, evolving with the times, & yes it is essential in having a long and productive career in the music business, yup..... :)
That was a bit harsh, Tony may have made a few mistakes, but a prick?????
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