well here they get out of bed, and live taken care of period. i could say quite alot on the subject but for the sake of remaining politically correct and in deference to Ozzy, i won't. let's just say i was on state aid when earning my degree, but now i work productively. i know what happens, the manipulations, and it should just not be there but for those with disability, age, or for temporary passage to a better earning job. our system here, it's not fair or ethical. it lacks honor and integrity, and erodes the possibilities that could be stimulated instead, creating apathy on the part of the taker and giver.